What’s the point of legends if they disappear after 20 years?

[The Impractical Engineer]

Not only is this really dumb, but it isn’t even historically accurate. Like the legend of King Arthur has been remembered for hundreds of years even up to the modern day.

Why do legends fade away after 20 years (max)?

[ReMeDy]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Bloodwyrm Wildheart:

...Wait, that's actually how they implemented that mechanic? Pitiful.
Should rename them to "fads". :LaughingOwlcat:

Good point. Hell, I still remember FPS Doug (the "Boom Headshot" guy), and that might be pretty close to 20 years now. It's unreal to think that the Legend of King Arthur is more forgettable than FPS Doug, but alas.

[Ellye]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von ReMeDy:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Bloodwyrm Wildheart:

...Wait, that's actually how they implemented that mechanic? Pitiful.
Should rename them to "fads". :LaughingOwlcat:

Good point. Hell, I still remember FPS Doug (the "Boom Headshot" guy), and that might be pretty close to 20 years now. It's unreal to think that the Legend of King Arthur is more forgettable than FPS Doug, but alas.

The crazy frog bros are a bigger legend than Mansa Musa's riches.

Wait, what Mansa Musa riches? How do I know of this legend? Shouldn't it have been forgotten 20 years after it started?????

[J.Z]

The idea was good but the execution was awful. From a programmer's point of view, I understand why they did this way though. It is similar to the family tree issue. I remember it used to be very slow to open it because it would load a lot of data from the paternal side and maternal side. Then they simplified it for the sake of optimisation, which is what we currently have.

Back to legends, the devs probably thought that the game will crash in the late game if too many legends exist which explains why a 20 years limit has been added to a legend. It was a bad solution tbh. However, they did provide a remedy for it and that was legendary artefacts and buildings which is what would help to leave a mark on the world. This solution again was quite mediocre. This is because I have failed to craft a legend artefact before the completed legend faded out. So yeah overall my legend was just a dream.

[VBigB]

I don’t necessarily disagree with what’s being said in this thread, just wondering if having them fade has to do with map overlays. So far I haven’t seen what happens when 2 legends meet. Can more than one legend exist in the same county at the same time? If they can how is it depicted (similar to occupying territory in wars? If more than one legend can exist in a county at the same time is there an upper limit? I could see this getting extremely busy and nonsensical if they never faded.

[Kuno]

It is also kinda sad that those legends are REALLY not unique. Like the Arthur one you would imagine finding Excalibur or going to find Camelot... But all you do are some incredibly basic things that happen for every other Legend. Arthur only gets mentioned in the Description and that's about it.

[Emperor]

To Devs

Please, Legends should stay forever like hundreds of years and generations to generations will take for life , and upkeep with prestige or piety should be. Why you guys did Legends disappear in just like 20 yrs, thats not legends, thats just events, peoples will forget and forgot gradually. Please, can you guys change this in future update, its so annoying.

[Elriadon]

Yes, Legends need a rework.

[PDX-Trinexx]

Legends are supposed to fade and diminish over time, but their current rate is definitely not working as intended. We have an update in the pipeline to address this issue along with some other things reported by the community.

Thanks for the feedback on this!

[ThunderNorse]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von PDX-Trinexx:

Legends are supposed to fade and diminish over time, but their current rate is definitely not working as intended. We have an update in the pipeline to address this issue along with some other things reported by the community.

Thanks for the feedback on this!

Kind of wish that we had bloodlines for doing something great, like we had in ck2. Your character actually meant something after 300 years. Like conquering England, and becoming the first king of England should be remembered and give you bloodline if related or claimed to be related after many generations later.

The current Legends system we have are just going to be forgotten, was expecting something like a legend story going from truth to myth after generations of stories of your legend. When your legend fade away there will be no where to see your legend story or any importance to that character. Legends like Gengish Khan, Ragnar etc was never forgotten.

It was a bit disappointing with the legend feature.

[Lupus Il Burlesco]

Legends are supposed to vanish after a couple of years?

Legends are supposed to vanish after a couple of years?

[Tensar]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von ThunderNorse:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von PDX-Trinexx:

Legends are supposed to fade and diminish over time, but their current rate is definitely not working as intended. We have an update in the pipeline to address this issue along with some other things reported by the community.

Thanks for the feedback on this!

Kind of wish that we had bloodlines for doing something great, like we had in ck2. Your character actually meant something after 300 years. Like conquering England, and becoming the first king of England should be remembered and give you bloodline if related or claimed to be related after many generations later.

The current Legends system we have are just going to be forgotten, was expecting something like a legend story going from truth to myth after generations of stories of your legend. When your legend fade away there will be no where to see your legend story or any importance to that character. Legends like Gengish Khan, Ragnar etc was never forgotten.

It was a bit disappointing with the legend feature.

The problem with the bloodline is that it was OP

And the problem with the legends is that they disappear so fast, they are useless.

I think they should stay forever (costing gold and/or prestige) but losing its power something like every decades, and in the end just giving something like 1% renown for our dynasty. There would be more continuity in the mechanic at least.

[ThunderNorse]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Tensar:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von ThunderNorse:

Kind of wish that we had bloodlines for doing something great, like we had in ck2. Your character actually meant something after 300 years. Like conquering England, and becoming the first king of England should be remembered and give you bloodline if related or claimed to be related after many generations later.

The current Legends system we have are just going to be forgotten, was expecting something like a legend story going from truth to myth after generations of stories of your legend. When your legend fade away there will be no where to see your legend story or any importance to that character. Legends like Gengish Khan, Ragnar etc was never forgotten.

It was a bit disappointing with the legend feature.

The problem with the bloodline is that it was OP

And the problem with the legends is that they disappear so fast, they are useless.

I think they should stay forever (costing gold and/or prestige) but losing its power something like every decades, and in the end just giving something like 1% renown for our dynasty. There would be more continuity in the mechanic at least.

I really enjoyed bloodlines in ck2, If the effect are so OP it could be fixed by a nerf. It could reduce it's effect the longer it goes, only to to pay bunch of gold (presitge?) to restart the effects of your legend bloodline, but the bloodline in general should always be there. The Abbasid has bloodline from their prophet in the game. Point is, don't make it overpowered. Edit: I agree with your statement on legend should stay forever.

[Kuno]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von ThunderNorse:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Tensar:

The problem with the bloodline is that it was OP

And the problem with the legends is that they disappear so fast, they are useless.

I think they should stay forever (costing gold and/or prestige) but losing its power something like every decades, and in the end just giving something like 1% renown for our dynasty. There would be more continuity in the mechanic at least.

I really enjoyed bloodlines in ck2, If the effect are so OP it could be fixed by a nerf. It could reduce it's effect the longer it goes, only to to pay bunch of gold (presitge?) to restart the effects of your legend bloodline, but the bloodline in general should always be there. The Abbasid has bloodline from their prophet in the game. Point is, don't make it overpowered. Edit: I agree with your statement on legend should stay forever.

This. Bloodlines at least would make the different Legends somewhat unique.

[ThunderNorse]

Watched the review for about 10 minute, and I agree so far https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1FZMhZmvIs

[Kuno]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von ThunderNorse:

Watched the review for about 10 minute, and I agree so far https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1FZMhZmvIs

Yeah. That summarises it pretty well. Three Legends. No uniqueness. Kinda even less interesting than CK2's bloodlines. At least those were Unique and different.