Paradox Money Grab - Their DLC's

[BOB THE BUILDER]

Title says it all. Paradox is putting out terrible DLC's with alot of features that should be included int he base game. Charging $15-$20 per pack is pure greed and the content is woefully low quality, underwhelming, and exhibits very low standards. Getting sick and tired of their model as developers rip off the community and laugh their way to the bank.

[Emperor2000]

Originally posted by BOB THE BUILDER:

Title says it all. Paradox is putting out terrible DLC's with alot of features that should be included int he base game. Charging $15-$20 per pack is pure greed and the content is woefully low quality, underwhelming, and exhibits very low standards. Getting sick and tired of their model as developers rip off the community and laugh their way to the bank.

Yes, I am absolutly agree with this.

I recently rage-quitted my current Game, because the AI has done so much bad things, like murdering their own Dynasty Member and this with max. AI Honor value and Honor and Loyal Trait.

CK3 clearly needs an Custodian Team, to fix this.

[CrUsHeR]

Originally posted by Emperor2000:

CK3 clearly needs an Custodian Team, to fix this.

If they would release DLCs in a scope of the CK2 DLCs, yes this would help.

But the DLCs so far have been so insignificant. Like the legends and the legitimacy should be something to be bundled with a REAL expansion.



Just think how Horse Lords completely changed everything in CK2. Half the map are nomad counties, after all.

The rise of the Mongol Empire was the most cataclysmic era in human history, while in this game it isn't even a footnote.

[Harris]

It's been over 3 years since release now, and I've yet to see something that would be a large scale, meaningful improvement. Most DLC firmly sit at Mixed if not below that. My take on why is most of them are taking the game in some other direction than what it was originally envisioned as. You mostly played on the world map - Royal Court, T&T and F&F turned it into event simulator. You were encouraged to invest in your characters - feud mechanics, harm events and plagues largely made that pointless. Whatever not mentioned are mostly things that were poorly thought out or heavy-handedly slapped onto existing mechanics.

CK3 lacks vision, and in its place it seemingly has this "what can we throw into the game to justify a larger price tag" mindset. For now it still works because of the game having a following willing to buy whatever fancy DLC that PDX shoves out of the door, as that is still seen as preferable alternative to the game receiving no support at all. However, it's evident this is not sustainable in long term. You can only milk your limited audience so many times before enough is enough. Especially if it all hinges on a gentlemen agreement that you actually make the game better, which you don't really follow anymore.

[Arson Aardvark]

Vote with your wallet.

[Tebeas]

Companies do not care about consumers because they only have obligations to share holders aka Ford v Dodge. Whatever you say does not matter simply because, at best, you will shell out 200 dollars while investors are willing to shell out 20 million if a company bends the knee to their demands. Now you might wonder.. Are such actions not bad for a company in the long term? Of course they are yet no one cares because the CEO and board members will bail once their actions make short term profit and leave someone else with the bag. Said someone else will also focus on short term profits and leave an even bigger bag to someone else till the company just either dies or rebrands.

[Abacus]

interesting opinion. Horribly shortsighted.....but an opinion, lol.

[JCourtney]

Originally posted by Harris:

It's been over 3 years since release now, and I've yet to see something that would be a large scale, meaningful improvement. Most DLC firmly sit at Mixed if not below that. My take on why is most of them are taking the game in some other direction than what it was originally envisioned as. You mostly played on the world map - Royal Court, T&T and F&F turned it into event simulator. You were encouraged to invest in your characters - feud mechanics, harm events and plagues largely made that pointless. Whatever not mentioned are mostly things that were poorly thought out or heavy-handedly slapped onto existing mechanics.

CK3 lacks vision, and in its place it seemingly has this "what can we throw into the game to justify a larger price tag" mindset. For now it still works because of the game having a following willing to buy whatever fancy DLC that PDX shoves out of the door, as that is still seen as preferable alternative to the game receiving no support at all. However, it's evident this is not sustainable in long term. You can only milk your limited audience so many times before enough is enough. Especially if it all hinges on a gentlemen agreement that you actually make the game better, which you don't really follow anymore.

It's all about the MVP now a days. Minimal Viable Product.

[drake_hound]

I can't believe this kind of post APPEARED during legends of the dead...

The one DLC in Paradox history, that paying customer gets less then FREE customer.
Shows you the people crying about MONEY GRAB are just jokers.
And don't even do actual research... just scream the same every DLC.

Really of every DLC released in Paradox history.. those who paid nothing gotten REWARDED.
While those who paid get some left overs. why you think the MIXED review by the payers.

While all in the DLC if everything was FREE was quite good a solid 7.5/10 with the legend hotfix.

[Emperor2000]

Originally posted by drake_hound:

I can't believe this kind of post APPEARED during legends of the dead...

The one DLC in Paradox history, that paying customer gets less then FREE customer.
Shows you the people crying about MONEY GRAB are just jokers.
And don't even do actual research... just scream the same every DLC.

Really of every DLC released in Paradox history.. those who paid nothing gotten REWARDED.
While those who paid get some left overs. why you think the MIXED review by the payers.

While all in the DLC if everything was FREE was quite good a solid 7.5/10 with the legend hotfix.

What, FREE Customers?

You need to buy CK3, to play it, so there are no FREE Customers, only paying Customers.

[drake_hound]

Originally posted by Emperor2000:

Originally posted by drake_hound:

I can't believe this kind of post APPEARED during legends of the dead...

The one DLC in Paradox history, that paying customer gets less then FREE customer.
Shows you the people crying about MONEY GRAB are just jokers.
And don't even do actual research... just scream the same every DLC.

Really of every DLC released in Paradox history.. those who paid nothing gotten REWARDED.
While those who paid get some left overs. why you think the MIXED review by the payers.

While all in the DLC if everything was FREE was quite good a solid 7.5/10 with the legend hotfix.

What, FREE Customers?

You need to buy CK3, to play it, so there are no FREE Customers, only paying Customers.

And you can't PLAY CK3 with the content you have already?
GO back to the previous patch... download the beta build, so done .. your game is finished.
go enjoy pletoria of abadoned or not upgrade MODS.

How many other companies even offer that option. instead oh sorry without DLC you are just playing barebones..

Nope there are paying customer who pays to keep the product line going.
And FREE customer who leech off the paying customers, I don't mind you leeching off my money. but don't dare to complain that money grab on this DLC.

Where I paid for what? funeral .. and legends system. that is it.

[drake_hound]

Sorry Emperor ... but this where I really draw line, ungrateful people complaining about money grab. at the cost of paying customer who wants to see this product line improve.

Yeah it was a money grab from the paying customers.. so you people who are playing for FREE have no right to complain at all during this DLC.
None... we paid the increase price for this product line that all the people are complaining about expensive. to get what left overs?

[suilles]

now a days whatever the dev teams do people complain its not good enough.
if it was so easy and fast then why dont we see many many more games like this?
because it takes alot of money to make this.
making a whole plague system is not just "make plague show up" they have to code all that so it means hours of work so the company needs to pay those people.

what money do they get now? very few people still buy the game so the only real income are dlc.


instead of complaining maybe make your own game and make great and special. oh wait you dont because you dont know how to code or have money to pay a dev team.


is the game perfect? no but its good and its only 20$ for a dlc yet its still too much.

[drake_hound]

Originally posted by suilles:

now a days whatever the dev teams do people complain its not good enough.
if it was so easy and fast then why dont we see many many more games like this?
because it takes alot of money to make this.
making a whole plague system is not just "make plague show up" they have to code all that so it means hours of work so the company needs to pay those people.

what money do they get now? very few people still buy the game so the only real income are dlc.


instead of complaining maybe make your own game and make great and special. oh wait you dont because you dont know how to code or have money to pay a dev team.


is the game perfect? no but its good and its only 20$ for a dlc yet its still too much.

Exactly if legends was released well like plague and or in the state of legitimacy.
I say fine 20 bucks core increase price was justified and we did the community a service they gotten a upgrade. everybody happy, and if people want to upgrade in due time.
Go ahead wait for a sale and buy it up.

Instead we paid for .... then to hear FREE players complain it is a money grab. the insanity of people these days.

[suilles]

Originally posted by drake_hound:

Originally posted by suilles:

now a days whatever the dev teams do people complain its not good enough.
if it was so easy and fast then why dont we see many many more games like this?
because it takes alot of money to make this.
making a whole plague system is not just "make plague show up" they have to code all that so it means hours of work so the company needs to pay those people.

what money do they get now? very few people still buy the game so the only real income are dlc.


instead of complaining maybe make your own game and make great and special. oh wait you dont because you dont know how to code or have money to pay a dev team.


is the game perfect? no but its good and its only 20$ for a dlc yet its still too much.

Exactly if legends was released well like plague and or in the state of legitimacy.
I say fine 20 bucks core increase price was justified and we did the community a service they gotten a upgrade. everybody happy, and if people want to upgrade in due time.
Go ahead wait for a sale and buy it up.

Instead we paid for .... then to hear FREE players complain it is a money grab. the insanity of people these days.

well the fact that if both of us play and you buy all dlc then i would only need to buy the main game to play co op with you.
these people complain of money grab yet never talk of that system that other dev teams dont use either.
i paid for the dlc because i dont mind but now any lobby i host got all dlc for free.

[baboon]

Just dont buy them. I wont and never will.