Am i missing smthng or is 'Legitimacy' dynasty tree largely rubbish?

[(Rúna)]

In the run up to Legends of the Dead DLC, I was watching a bunch of Youtubers with preview builds, and noticed they all talked about the new Legends dynasty legacy branch, but not a single one talked about the Legitimacy tree. Now I've got my hands on it and played a few hours, I understand why.

It's awful. Except the final perk for the tier 5 education level being more prevalent, which.. well, why on Earth is that not in the Erudite legacy branch??! It makes no sense. Every other one of those is just rubbish really underwhelming when compared to other trees. Take the first one for instance. +0.1 control growth and +5 popular opinion? The Law tree 1st one gives -30% hunt & feast cost & +5 popular opinion. That reduction in activity cost is HUGE, and Legitimacy pales next to it. The rest are minor boosts to legitimacy gain, which can get from guess what, feasts (and I think hunts?), a minor opinion modifiers. And then they chucked in the tier 5 education trait one, which I do thing is something very powerful, but completely misplaced and belongs in the learning-focused legacies.

It feels kind of haphazardly rushed and slapped together, and I'm now thinking that the legacies in general need a total rework. Feeling quite disappointed overall.

[Tebeas]

The best legacy combo is the first 3 tiers of blood and all of close kin. I just micro manage all marriages of my close family and end up with a demi god dynasty within 200 years. All other legacies need a major rework because in comparison they are basically useless.

[Tensar]

the first skill from legitimacy is equal if not better than the one in law because we already have enough money, you have the activities tree who already reduce cost

[(Rúna)]

Originally posted by Tensar:

the first skill from legitimacy is equal if not better than the one in law because we already have enough money, you have the activities tree who already reduce cost

I'm sorry I'm not sure I understand you? What do you mean "we already have enough money"? You need every penny you can get early to mid game, to develop the holdings, afford troops, and of course stress relief, prestige gain, and legitimacy. Activities tree perks only reduces costs for Grand Weddings and Pilgrimages. You are by far going to be doing feasts and hunts more. Maybe you start your games as an emperor or something I dunno, but still it's a no-brainer than Law legacy 1 far out values both Legacy and Activities for just how much money you will save doing hugely beneficial activities regularly.

[mohamedz]

Originally posted by (Rúna):

Originally posted by Tensar:

the first skill from legitimacy is equal if not better than the one in law because we already have enough money, you have the activities tree who already reduce cost

I'm sorry I'm not sure I understand you? What do you mean "we already have enough money"? You need every penny you can get early to mid game, to develop the holdings, afford troops, and of course stress relief, prestige gain, and legitimacy. Activities tree perks only reduces costs for Grand Weddings and Pilgrimages. You are by far going to be doing feasts and hunts more. Maybe you start your games as an emperor or something I dunno, but still it's a no-brainer than Law legacy 1 far out values both Legacy and Activities for just how much money you will save doing hugely beneficial activities regularly.

I'm getting the impression that people who complain that the game is easy probably only play independent kings or emperor tier characters from the start. when that is the start, you likely do generate much of the money you need from the start. and you don;t need to worry about factions rising up against your liege and then besieging your lands in the process.

[Tensar]

Originally posted by (Rúna):

Originally posted by Tensar:

the first skill from legitimacy is equal if not better than the one in law because we already have enough money, you have the activities tree who already reduce cost

I'm sorry I'm not sure I understand you? What do you mean "we already have enough money"? You need every penny you can get early to mid game, to develop the holdings, afford troops, and of course stress relief, prestige gain, and legitimacy. Activities tree perks only reduces costs for Grand Weddings and Pilgrimages. You are by far going to be doing feasts and hunts more. Maybe you start your games as an emperor or something I dunno, but still it's a no-brainer than Law legacy 1 far out values both Legacy and Activities for just how much money you will save doing hugely beneficial activities regularly.

I try to become king fast then I do the tax activity, it give me a lot of money to do a lot of things (example it cost me 200 to do it and it give me 700-1000 gold)

So I find the 0.1 control more interesting

[Taraftma]

Fairly late response but if you start viewing legacies as dynasty wide benifits instead of benifits just for your current ruler it'll start to make more sense.

Legitimacy dynasty benifits for your foreign dynasty rulers, who are gaining renown for your dynasty by being independent, is incredibly beneficial.

[Elriadon]

Tier 1 is good just for the +0.1 Monthly Control. AI is notably worse at maintaining Control in their lands than the player, so this helps them too. It can also be combined with Tier 2 Law for +0.3 Monthly Control, which is like an Excellent Seneschal (and it stacks with it) for your whole Dynasty.

Tier 2 is really weak, I agree.

Tier 3 unlocks the Espouse Legitimacy intent, which is great at farming a ton of Legitimacy at once.

Tier 4 reduces Claimant and Dissolution factions, which makes the realm much more stable, especially for your AI Dynasty Members.

Tier 5 is great, if you pick Stewardship or Martial. Or if you aren't Administrative, in which case you can get a better version of this with Education Hall.

I think this one is a bit underrated. The only thing Heroic Bloodline legacy track has over it are Legendary Watchtowers and Ancestral Claims (which to be fair are both strong).