You can no longer marry hot lowborns

[The Impractical Engineer]

Well you CAN, but you take a massive penalty. This is a sad day for crusader kings

[Emperor2000]

Originally posted by The Impractical Engineer:

Well you CAN, but you take a massive penalty. This is a sad day for crusader kings

Yes, the Devs can not think about things.

First, they increased the AI Lowborn Penalty to -120, causing the AI to stay unmarried for Ages and let their Dynasty die out.

Then, they add Legitimacy and add a Penalty for marrying a Lowborn.
(Which is more like a Minor Noble or a Noble character, who would break Game Performance, if they would have a Dynasty, because the Game does not like too many Dynasties and Characters).


Lowborns are needed to act as an Fallback Spouse Option and should not have any Penalties.

[Riflas]

Its realistic

[[OCe]Kagari]

What's sad about it?

[Emperor2000]

Originally posted by Riflas:

Its realistic

It is not and it is a Game, which needs Lowborn, or you will need an NASA PC, to play this Game.

There is even an nice Story in the Game Files, why the Game generates Lowborn, sadly there must be an change of Developers, because this Devs have clearly forgotten about this.


And I want to point out, that since, they increased the AI Lowborn Penalty to -120, all AI Dynasties die out, because they never marry, the only AI characters, who are marrying are Characters in my Realm, because I marry them to other Characters.

[Riflas]

Its not hard to build that penalty back up

[mirta000]

Originally posted by Emperor2000:

Originally posted by Riflas:

Its realistic

It is not and it is a Game, which needs Lowborn, or you will need an NASA PC, to play this Game.

There is even an nice Story in the Game Files, why the Game generates Lowborn, sadly there must be an change of Developers, because this Devs have clearly forgotten about this.


And I want to point out, that since, they increased the AI Lowborn Penalty to -120, all AI Dynasties die out, because they never marry, the only AI characters, who are marrying are Characters in my Realm, because I marry them to other Characters.

How is your game generating only lowborns?

200 years in with plenty of AI dynasties. Playing Hinduism, so same deal as with Islam - one wife + 3 secondary spouses = 16 children easily, which means that there's always options for who to marry to who. Even if AI doesn't press for full potential, it is not uncommon for me to see them with 5-8 children.

I even started selecting for traits, took some family line/ prestige penalties for those, but no legitimacy penalties, because all I have to do for that is to marry above a lowbown, which is easy to do.

edit: are you letting the game generate everyone families at the start? It is the default ruleset and makes it fairly easy to get the ball rolling.

[Gunsaremagic]

Was it that awful for a noble to marry a peasant back in the day

[jordop]

What is the problem? The game is so easy. You have all the advantages as the player.

[CrUsHeR]

Originally posted by Gunsaremagic:

Was it that awful for a noble to marry a peasant back in the day

Virtually impossible. Things like "Lady Di" are second half 20th century only.

Just take this case from the 19th century:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archduke_Franz_Ferdinand_of_Austria#Marriage_and_family

And this guy was actually the Habsburg heir to the Austrian Empire.
Wanted to marry a Countess, had to waive all rights for their children to inherit.

[Intoxicated Pianist]

Originally posted by The Impractical Engineer:

Well you CAN, but you take a massive penalty. This is a sad day for crusader kings

I still marry them, youll probably end up losing your legitimacy anyways. I usually only marry infertile stewards, and have bastard children with genius or herc traits. Makes inheirtance a lot more easier to pick and choose without spending extra coin.

[VoiD]

This is one thing they did right.

I still think the legitimacy is nowhere near enough, but it's a start.

I mean, your next character, the king, i the king's son.... And the tavern girl's as well.....

He's not just going to take a legitimacy hit, he's supposed to be illegitimate.

[North Tower]

Is there any trait/tradition/religion/law/ any other setting that removes legitimacy penalty for marrying lowborns?

[halcyan2]

Does the legitimacy penalty only affect you (the player character) marrying lowborns? Or does it apply to all rulers of your dynasty/house? Or all dynasty/house members (even unlanded ones)?

[Gauss]

Just go for your hot cousin or sister.

[halcyan2]

Originally posted by Gauss:

Just go for your hot cousin or sister.

Well that seems like a more viable option now especially since the Scythe update added: "Marriage UI now shows the specific chance of inbreeding happening."