Stellaris or Crusader Kings III

[Sgt. Sarge]

I have both games and I can easily say Stellaris is significantly better than Crusader Kings in terms of actually enjoyable gameplay, but in your honest opinion, which do you think is better?

[Hydra_360ci]

I bought Stallaris during the holidays for 100+.
I didn't really like it.

[patoche3411bis]

It is difficult to compare both games because the purpose isn't the same.
I would rather compare Stellaris and Europa Universalis 4 than with CK3.
In my opinion, CK3 is fun for role play and midlle ages immersion, though somehow unrealistic, and isn't supposed to be a conquest game.
Stellaris is definitively a conquest game.

[spasti696969]

I have thousands of hours in both (my Stellaris hours are spread out over different accounts). I like them both but Stellaris can become a bit tedious in the mid to late game. It almost feels like a job. This resource is low, click this planet and build this building. That resource is low, click that planet and build that building.

What I like about Crusader Kings is the human element, the relationships between your family and knights and enemies. And the fact that any lowly peasant can (theoretically) become a king, or you can get assassinated by some lowly peasant that you wronged. There aren't set and defined opponents like in most other strategy games. The way they tie in that RPG element so brilliantly is what makes CK special.

[Sgt. Sarge]

Originally posted by patoche3411bis:

It is difficult to compare both games because the purpose isn't the same.
I would rather compare Stellaris and Europa Universalis 4 than with CK3.
In my opinion, CK3 is fun for role play and midlle ages immersion, though somehow unrealistic, and isn't supposed to be a conquest game.
Stellaris is definitively a conquest game.

I would agree on the roleplay aspect if CK3 had any roleplay to begin with, most of the 'RP' interactions are stale and repetitive and I literally can't go one year without a conquest because how much it lacks

[Teufels Beitrag]

The main problem with Stellaris is that at this stage it is difficult to get in. I played it at release and during the first 3 or 4 expansions, but between then and now they completly revamped so many systems and added so much stuff that it is a chore to get in. I love complexity, but right now this game is simply too much. You are bombarded with events, many of those are repetetive and boring.. CK3 will reach the same point though, but it isn't there yet.

[Emperor2000]

Originally posted by Sgt. Sarge:

I have both games and I can easily say Stellaris is significantly better than Crusader Kings in terms of actually enjoyable gameplay, but in your honest opinion, which do you think is better?

Clearly, Stellaris, this Devs do care about their Game, unlike the CK3 Devs.

CK3 is currently the only Paradox Game, which needs an Mod to be playable, because this Mod fix so many Issues and Bugs, which the Devs should have fixed already and I am talking about the Unofficial Patch Mod.

[patoche3411bis]

Originally posted by Sgt. Sarge:

Originally posted by patoche3411bis:

It is difficult to compare both games because the purpose isn't the same.
I would rather compare Stellaris and Europa Universalis 4 than with CK3.
In my opinion, CK3 is fun for role play and midlle ages immersion, though somehow unrealistic, and isn't supposed to be a conquest game.
Stellaris is definitively a conquest game.

I would agree on the roleplay aspect if CK3 had any roleplay to begin with, most of the 'RP' interactions are stale and repetitive and I literally can't go one year without a conquest because how much it lacks

I agree it lacks some simple things to make the role play more dynamic, even as a simple count.
A lord in the Middle Ages had to deal with peasants complaints, agricultural conflicts, and territory development.
There should be more "small" events, and more estate management.

[Gunsaremagic]

ck2 3

[VoiD]

The only counter recommendation I'd have against Stellaris is the fact that it can be difficult, too difficult, specially for new players.

After you've played enough, and spent some time reading about the mechanics, to the point you can confortably play at the highest difficulty settings without any scaling it can feel somewhat "easy", but it's easy in the sense that you'll always be on your toes, maximizing every resource, every job, on every planet, and if you ♥♥♥♥ up something you can still lose, the AI while not competent on fleet formations is, finally, competent enough to keep up with the player until the end of the research tree so if something goes wrong, and since the AI has a ton of resources on the highest difficulties, you could be facing an armada of poorly selected, but equally powerful ships many times larger than yours in the mid-late game.

When people say CK3 is "easy" it's not the same thing, not at all, they mean if you build one of your 6+ slots of MAA with the most expensive type your culture can afford, then place them on any county with a relevant building to buff them up, your 2k men stack will be enough to stackwipe every king or emperor on the map before they can even retreat, if you try stacking knight bonuses you can also do the same, basically if you do anything beyond the capabilities of an imbred imbecile king (these are real ingame traits) you'll break the game to the point of no-return, making it impossible for you to lose against anything, or anyone.

It's a fun game because of it's concept, the feudal society, the vassals, but once you learn the basics it's very hard to have fun in a game where the AI is basically turned off all around you, and everything is gamebreaking. While at the same time the AI doesn't do anything.

[jerrypocalypse]

I play and enjoy both games, but much prefer CK3, specifically because of the character and family/dynasty focus. I just enjoy that aspect more, and it isn't present in Stellaris. They each have very different styles and focuses.

[Yuumi x Reader]

Play stellaris if you want a bad game, play crusader kings III if you want a bad game.

[Ashling]

There are so many good space (and especially sci-fi) 4x games that Stellaris feels pretty middling imo

It’s decent at what it does, though

[Sgt. Sarge]

Originally posted by Middling Cheese:

There are so many good space (and especially sci-fi) 4x games that Stellaris feels pretty middling imo

It’s decent at what it does, though

I would love to see these other space games

[jerrypocalypse]

Originally posted by Sgt. Sarge:

Originally posted by Middling Cheese:

There are so many good space (and especially sci-fi) 4x games that Stellaris feels pretty middling imo

It’s decent at what it does, though

I would love to see these other space games

Depends on the style you like.

X3 and X4 are great, but focus more on you playing a specific person controlling however large of a "faction" you want.

GalCiv 2 and 3 are great too, and are more similar to Stellaris, with some differing features. Not sure how 4 is as I haven't played it.

[Sgt. Sarge]

Originally posted by jerrypocalypse:

Originally posted by Sgt. Sarge:

I would love to see these other space games

Depends on the style you like.

X3 and X4 are great, but focus more on you playing a specific person controlling however large of a "faction" you want.

GalCiv 2 and 3 are great too, and are more similar to Stellaris, with some differing features. Not sure how 4 is as I haven't played it.

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