Are the Holy Orders building anything?

[von Langen]

Hey all).
1. I noticed that the Orders are not building anything. Didn't it seem to me?
They don’t build anything because they don’t have money, or because they don’t know how (broken mechanics)?

2. Can I, playing as a catholic, choose the Holy Order I create? There is not a single Order in my campaign yet, and I am creating it first. But I want teutons, not templars (and it’s the templars that I’m creating). I can not choose?
Or can the Teutonic Order be created only third in line, after the templars and hospitallers?))

P.S. Sry for my excellent eng)).

[Archer the Bowless]

Founding a holy order will have their headquarters in whatever City or Castle you first put them in. Make sure to keep it within your realm or you'll lose patronage.
When you give them a city or castle it is true, they will not build it up. They don't benefit from it, they get troops simply from the amount of land they have.

Lastly, the naming is broken and on a list. So it's always Templars first. You can rename them but that only results in them having 2 names. Depending on what menu you are looking at it will display either the name you gave them or their default name. It's very unfortunate, and I have no idea why it was created this way. It's very badly done and haven't heard anything from Paradox about them changing anything with it.

[von Langen]

Yes, that's what I said. I founded the Order in the previous campaign, and there AI also did not improve the rented settlements.
This may not be beneficial for them, but it would be beneficial for me and other feudal lords. If, for example, I rent out a personal fief, then it would be possible (necessary) to build buildings there that would give bonuses to the ENTIRE county. Or, for example, I could build (or they themselves) a building for them that would strengthen their troops (forges, barracks, etc.).
It's a pity and strange that the developers left this flaw.

Yep). This means that if I want the “Teutonic Order”, I will have to skip ahead of two Christian orders. This, of course, is nonsense, and you can create an Order right now with a prepared name, but I still want to roleplay according to my own scenario.

Thanks for the answer!)

[Orb]

Originally posted by Tiffany DEATHADDER:

Founding a holy order will have their headquarters in whatever City or Castle you first put them in. Make sure to keep it within your realm or you'll lose patronage.
When you give them a city or castle it is true, they will not build it up. They don't benefit from it, they get troops simply from the amount of land they have.

Lastly, the naming is broken and on a list. So it's always Templars first. You can rename them but that only results in them having 2 names. Depending on what menu you are looking at it will display either the name you gave them or their default name. It's very unfortunate, and I have no idea why it was created this way. It's very badly done and haven't heard anything from Paradox about them changing anything with it.

I believe it does improve their income if you build buildings before the Holy Order dude gets it. They also do seem to spend gold if I rememeber correctly but not sure on what.

[CrUsHeR]

Yep the Orders never build or upgrade any buildings, so any holdings they lease are permanently lost for your realm economy. No Guilds, no Ports, no City Center upgrades, no bonus to development.

In particular for smaller faiths, this is a huge problem because eventually all cities in your realm will be leased by your orders.

Originally posted by Tiffany DEATHADDER:

Make sure to keep it within your realm or you'll lose patronage.

Basically there are two ways to go about this


A) Found the order in your own domain

Pro: You always can hire them for free
Contra: They cost you at least one taxpaying vassal, and you can only found one order


B) Found the order outside of your own kingdom

Pro: You can found new orders after losing patronage, making your faith much stronger
Contra: Multiple orders will lease all cities in your realm... much quicker than just one