Eastern Roman Empire

[Plague, M.D.]

In my game, the Byzantine Empire is labeled as Eastern Roman Empire and I'm curious if this change was made in the base game or is it from one of the mods I have installed?

[dwarfpcfan]

mods

[wing]

weird name because the greek pretender state was neither eastern nor roman, and towards the end it wasn't a real empire

[eoozy]

Originally posted by wing:

weird name because the greek pretender state was neither eastern nor roman, and towards the end it wasn't a real empire

Roman Empire was already heavily influenced by Greek culture before the western part even fell so yeah we might aswell not call Roman Empire "Roman Empire" either by that logic.

"Byzantium" was always the Roman Empire, just as it was together with the western part, just because the western part got taken over doesnt make it any less so.

[Bapito]

clearly san marino has the better claim to the roman empire

[Mommy's Good Boy]

Originally posted by wing:

weird name because the greek pretender state was neither eastern nor roman, and towards the end it wasn't a real empire

True.

[ᛁᛖᛊᚢᛊ ᚨᚱ ᚷᚢᛞ]

Originally posted by wing:

weird name because the greek pretender state was neither eastern nor roman, and towards the end it wasn't a real empire

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They called themselves ROMANS. They were THE ROMAN EMPIRE, the eastern part of it.

Greek and Roman culture was interchangable centuries before the fall of Rome. So Greek during the medieval age is synonimous with Roman.

The term "Byzantine" is a term invented by Germans in the 1500s. It was never used by the Romans.

Please read some history before writing completely ignorant nonsense.

[󠁳⁧⁧ svampen]

Originally posted by wing:

weird name because the greek pretender state was neither eastern nor roman, and towards the end it wasn't a real empire

Originally Rome was just the city but overtime it defined the whole empire in every way. Byzantium was just as much Roman as it was under unified Rome.

[󠁳⁧⁧ svampen]

Originally posted by Victory Forever:

Originally posted by wing:

weird name because the greek pretender state was neither eastern nor roman, and towards the end it wasn't a real empire

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They called themselves ROMANS. They were THE ROMAN EMPIRE, the eastern part of it.

Greek and Roman culture was interchangable centuries before the fall of Rome. So Greek during the medieval age is synonimous with Roman.

The term "Byzantine" is a term invented by Germans in the 1500s. It was never used by the Romans.

Please read some history before writing completely ignorant nonsense.

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[Keltrain]

Definitely a mod.

Vanilla player with all DLC here and it is still showing as Byzantine to me.

[Tovarish Leninade]

Originally posted by Victory Forever:

Originally posted by wing:

weird name because the greek pretender state was neither eastern nor roman, and towards the end it wasn't a real empire

....................

They called themselves ROMANS. They were THE ROMAN EMPIRE, the eastern part of it.

Greek and Roman culture was interchangable centuries before the fall of Rome. So Greek during the medieval age is synonimous with Roman.

The term "Byzantine" is a term invented by Germans in the 1500s. It was never used by the Romans.

Please read some history before writing completely ignorant nonsense.

Correct, to add to what you already wrote the term Byzantium comes from the original greek city before Constantinople (Βυζάντιον/Byzantion). "Byzantines" considered themselves Roman, not Greek, despite the fact Greek was their main language. In fact, calling an Eastern Roman Emperor (or Basileus) "Emperor of the Greeks" was considered as an insult

[PuttBlug]

Originally posted by wing:

weird name because the greek pretender state was neither eastern nor roman, and towards the end it wasn't a real empire

Sounds like something a German "emperor" of a "Holy Roman Empire" would say.

[PuttBlug]

Originally posted by Tovarish Leninade:

Originally posted by Victory Forever:

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They called themselves ROMANS. They were THE ROMAN EMPIRE, the eastern part of it.

Greek and Roman culture was interchangable centuries before the fall of Rome. So Greek during the medieval age is synonimous with Roman.

The term "Byzantine" is a term invented by Germans in the 1500s. It was never used by the Romans.

Please read some history before writing completely ignorant nonsense.

Correct, to add to what you already wrote the term Byzantium comes from the original greek city before Constantinople (Βυζάντιον/Byzantion). "Byzantines" considered themselves Roman, not Greek, despite the fact Greek was their main language. In fact, calling an Eastern Roman Emperor (or Basileus) "Emperor of the Greeks" was considered as an insult

I always use this analogy to help people understand the "Roman - Byzantine" situation of the middle ages.

Imagine that the 13 colonies were a part of a "British empire", the native Americans instead of slaves or enemies were given English citizenship in exchange for military service and their children were from that point on full on English citizens. At some point in history, the British empire lost its original territory to invasions from mainland Europe but what territory it had left in America remained functionally the same as before.

After a thousand years some people started calling the British empire of America the "American empire" because the language and people were by and large native Americans despite the fact that since it was established by the English, it functioned within the same legal and political system as the original empire.