Why are there no China and Japan in the game?

[Багряный]

Why?

[Xherdos]

some like the Jade Dragon Dlc from CK2 would be nice.

[Berry]

This could solve your problem

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2970440958

[Багряный]

Originally posted by Berry:

This could solve your problem

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2970440958

Thank you. But that's not my problem. I just don't understand why these interesting and rich history regions weren't added.

[Razorblade]

1. It would double the number of characters in the game, vastly decreasing performance.

2. It would require a lot of work to make those areas feel interesting, and there are already many uninteresting areas in CK3 that could use the work.

[AC Denton]

Because it doesn't fit well yet, at least until they expand upon the games mechanics. E.g. this game is all about Feudalism but Feudal Japan didn't even start until 1185.
One of the devs said it's something they'd like to do but have no plans to do so.

Anyway, there are multiple great mods in the workshop that add in East Asia to the game seemlessly. Just go download them.

Also, if you're really wanting to be Chinese in the base vanilla game, you can play as Guiyi right at the end of the map, which is the only Han Chinese culture in the game. That are is the "Western Regions", once a protectorate of the Han Dynasty centuries before. So technically, China is in the game. Just not most of it.

[AC Denton]

Originally posted by Veresh1989:

Originally posted by Berry:

This could solve your problem

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2970440958

Thank you. But that's not my problem. I just don't understand why these interesting and rich history regions weren't added.

Simple history. East Asia was vastly different from the Western world and the mechanics of the game don't really support it. As I said, as well as the person above, there are mods for it. They're great but even loose mods mostly just feel; like playing anywhere else. CK3 is known for everywhere feeling the same.

[Багряный]

Originally posted by Razorblade:

1. It would double the number of characters in the game, vastly decreasing performance.

2. It would require a lot of work to make those areas feel interesting, and there are already many uninteresting areas in CK3 that could use the work.

China is the most important and interesting region in the East and has been the historical center of most of the events in this region of the map. As Rome was the center of the West, so China was the center of the East.

If it affects the performance of the game, then why add Africa? Let's be honest, in this region, historically, nothing interesting happened, except for its northernmost section, which is mainly connected with Europe.

[Berry]

Originally posted by Veresh1989:

Originally posted by Berry:

This could solve your problem

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2970440958

Thank you. But that's not my problem. I just don't understand why these interesting and rich history regions weren't added.

Wasn't my intention to sound rude, i dont understand why these areas are not in game too, but this mod helps a lot(obviously not perfect, but it does solve a lot of uhh...Unhapiness?).

Originally posted by Razorblade:

1. It would double the number of characters in the game, vastly decreasing performance.

2. It would require a lot of work to make those areas feel interesting, and there are already many uninteresting areas in CK3 that could use the work.

1-This is the most lame excuse i could hear from either the developers, or players (again, dont want to sound rude but cmon... lame excuse).

2-Ok this i can agree to a certain degree, But they could at least be in game and receive future dlc's to make them interesting.

[Rex is back, baby!]

Originally posted by Berry:

Originally posted by Razorblade:

1. It would double the number of characters in the game, vastly decreasing performance.

2. It would require a lot of work to make those areas feel interesting, and there are already many uninteresting areas in CK3 that could use the work.

1-This is the most lame excuse i could hear from either the developers, or players (again, dont want to sound rude but cmon... lame excuse).

2-Ok this i can agree to a certain degree, But they could at least be in game and receive future dlc's to make them interesting.

Please don't attack an idea/excuse and call it lame if you disagree with it.
Instead, I encourage you to practice empathy and understanding.

CK3 is a very demanding game, and not everyone is wealthy enough to afford a modern $2k computer. The load time of the game would be astronomical, and time is finite and limited to the many people who use their time for other things like work, hobbies, sleep, etc.

If you don't want to sound rude, then withhold your commentary. Instead of calling it lame, deconstruct it to why you think that way. What, in your logic, would counter that point?

[Berry]

Originally posted by Rex:

Originally posted by Berry:

1-This is the most lame excuse i could hear from either the developers, or players (again, dont want to sound rude but cmon... lame excuse).

2-Ok this i can agree to a certain degree, But they could at least be in game and receive future dlc's to make them interesting.

Please don't attack an idea/excuse and call it lame if you disagree with it.
Instead, I encourage you to practice empathy and understanding.

CK3 is a very demanding game, and not everyone is wealthy enough to afford a modern $2k computer. The load time of the game would be astronomical, and time is finite and limited to the many people who use their time for other things like work, hobbies, sleep, etc.

If you don't want to sound rude, then withhold your commentary. Instead of calling it lame, deconstruct it to why you think that way. What, in your logic, would counter that point?

Well, since i dont want to extend myself, it will be a very quick response as to why i think that
1-This has been said in every game forum, but if you dont have the minimum configuration a game asks then the developers should not consider you when making the game, and thats it.

2-My pc is not a nasa rocket flying to mars, and i still can play ther game pretty nicely.

3- this is a continuation of point 2, which is, i run the asia expansion mod(which adds tons of characters as the guy said, and honestly it didn't change anytthing performance wise.

So thats it for why i think its a lame excuse.

I dont want to sound rude, but in order for people say what they think, sometimes they have to take the risk of sounding rude...thats what freedom of speech and thinking is... which is why i will not withdraw my previous comment.

[The Former]

Originally posted by Berry:

Originally posted by Veresh1989:

Thank you. But that's not my problem. I just don't understand why these interesting and rich history regions weren't added.

Wasn't my intention to sound rude, i dont understand why these areas are not in game too, but this mod helps a lot(obviously not perfect, but it does solve a lot of uhh...Unhapiness?).

Originally posted by Razorblade:

1. It would double the number of characters in the game, vastly decreasing performance.

2. It would require a lot of work to make those areas feel interesting, and there are already many uninteresting areas in CK3 that could use the work.

1-This is the most lame excuse i could hear from either the developers, or players (again, dont want to sound rude but cmon... lame excuse).

2-Ok this i can agree to a certain degree, But they could at least be in game and receive future dlc's to make them interesting.

As someone who fully supports having these regions in (I was a fan of far eastern history long before I was European history!), 1 is a fine reason. Performance is one of the number one issues that comes up in negative reviews across all games, so it makes sense they wouldn't want to take people's computers.

As for 2... Well, see 1. If they do DLC for this, it'll probably after they've also licked that particularly large problem.

[The Former]

Originally posted by Berry:

1-This has been said in every game forum, but if you dont have the minimum configuration a game asks then the developers should not consider you when making the game, and thats it.

2-My pc is not a nasa rocket flying to mars, and i still can play ther game pretty nicely.

3- this is a continuation of point 2, which is, i run the asia expansion mod(which adds tons of characters as the guy said, and honestly it didn't change anytthing performance wise.

So thats it for why i think its a lame excuse.

1. Well they don't, it's not possible to. The game doesn't ask for a minimum configuration until it's finished, after all!

2. Same; but neither of us might be able to play the game if they were to double the amount of characters in the game world.

3. I... can't comment on this, as I've yet to have an opportunity to run the mod. How late in have you played it, though? Because it's usually late game, when every singular person has branched into an interconnected clan of several dozen by generations of marriage and procreation, when performance issues arise in Crusader Kings.

[Багряный]

Originally posted by Lockfågel, Paradoxriddaren:

Originally posted by Berry:

1-This has been said in every game forum, but if you dont have the minimum configuration a game asks then the developers should not consider you when making the game, and thats it.

2-My pc is not a nasa rocket flying to mars, and i still can play ther game pretty nicely.

3- this is a continuation of point 2, which is, i run the asia expansion mod(which adds tons of characters as the guy said, and honestly it didn't change anytthing performance wise.

So thats it for why i think its a lame excuse.

1. Well they don't, it's not possible to. The game doesn't ask for a minimum configuration until it's finished, after all!

2. Same; but neither of us might be able to play the game if they were to double the amount of characters in the game world.

3. I... can't comment on this, as I've yet to have an opportunity to run the mod. How late in have you played it, though? Because it's usually late game, when every singular person has branched into an interconnected clan of several dozen by generations of marriage and procreation, when performance issues arise in Crusader Kings.

It is enough to make high mortality for characters who are not at the court where there is a doctor with a high skill. Mainly productivity is loaded by rootless wanderers that no one uses.

[Berry]

Originally posted by Lockfågel, Paradoxriddaren:

Originally posted by Berry:

1-This has been said in every game forum, but if you dont have the minimum configuration a game asks then the developers should not consider you when making the game, and thats it.

2-My pc is not a nasa rocket flying to mars, and i still can play ther game pretty nicely.

3- this is a continuation of point 2, which is, i run the asia expansion mod(which adds tons of characters as the guy said, and honestly it didn't change anytthing performance wise.

So thats it for why i think its a lame excuse.

1. Well they don't, it's not possible to. The game doesn't ask for a minimum configuration until it's finished, after all!

2. Same; but neither of us might be able to play the game if they were to double the amount of characters in the game world.

3. I... can't comment on this, as I've yet to have an opportunity to run the mod. How late in have you played it, though? Because it's usually late game, when every singular person has branched into an interconnected clan of several dozen by generations of marriage and procreation, when performance issues arise in Crusader Kings.

Then i invite you to test the mod and see for yourself, i usually play till 1500-1600(yes i like to not have a endgame date)

Just for reference, this is my pc

I7 5930k
980ti gtx
32gb RAM 2400mhz
Windows 10
Edit: 256gb SSD

This is a pc from like, 2015/2016... so yeah, far from a gigachad pc and it still cand hold pretty well

[Actionjackson]

Same goes for South and North America, or the large part of Africa or Russia that is not included.
Point is, the game is not about China or Russia or South America and that is it.

If they want to include China in a meaningful way it would and should be a whole separate game since this take a lot of work.
About the games performance i dont even talk, and the AI is already challenged with what we got. So making it even larger and adding more is out of the question.