Price of the game plus DLCs

[GeirOve]

The game with the DLCs are now up to about 120 USD, how much do you think Paradox can get away with? This price, no substantial content drop and the lack of updates still the game has allmost 90 procent positiv review.

What happen to the customers and Paradox?

[Athmet]

taomastercu님이 먼저 게시:

Athmet님이 먼저 게시:

Are those companies the same size as PDX ?

Not sure if that was in this thread or another on Stellaris forums, but my point of view is that PDX size and the fact they are public company in Sweden, makes them look at a different goal regarding the revenue and profit than a company with only 10 people in it.

This seems pretty sensible.

It is entirely fine if people shy away from PDX to only go with smaller business that aligned more with their prices.

it is also entirely fine to like both and spend money on both.

I am still trying to find the goal of such threads on Steam forums. I get everyone is free to share their feeling on those forums, but apart from the sharing aspect, what OP or others are expecting of such post/threads ?

i'd imagine the same thing that people who post in them to disagree are expecting?

My expectation is to understand the expectation of such threads/posts ?

I would also add, that having those threads popping up every now and then for the last decade makes that question even more important.

But again, if at the end it is just about sharing one's feeling/opinion, it is all good. I am kinda old so I am not really following the online trend of that sharing, but I would totally understand it is a thing.

[taomastercu]

Athmet님이 먼저 게시:

taomastercu님이 먼저 게시:

i'd imagine the same thing that people who post in them to disagree are expecting?

My expectation is to understand the expectation of such threads/posts ?

I would also add, that having those threads popping up every now and then for the last decade makes that question even more important.

But again, if at the end it is just about sharing one's feeling/opinion, it is all good. I am kinda old so I am not really following the online trend of that sharing, but I would totally understand it is a thing.

Many people had a certain perception about Paradox and their games. Paradox is now indisputably not aligned with that perception. Those people who are basically left behind by the new Paradox wonder whether Paradox always wanted to make the new kind of PDox game but was limited by circumstance, financial primarily I'd imagine, or if they changed when they "made it". Just like when a band "sells out".

OP spells it out pretty clearly when they ask "what happened to Paradox and their userbase"?

Sometimes it can be hard to let go of a relationship, whether with a long time friend or with a once indie developer, when they change from what attracted you to them originally.

Instead of getting DLCs that are primarily mechanical advances now each mechanics change is packaged with a substantial amount of "graphical upgrades" and "event pack content". You are forced to pay a price for the DLC that accounts for the graphics and events you never asked for and don't care about. You can't just get the mechanical upgrades you care about for a separate price.

In a few years perhaps all the old Paradox players who dislike the new direction will accept the loss of their "childhood best friend developer" but for now they are still clinging on to the past. Of course some old Paradox players like the new direction and that is fine. But there's no need to mock and torment the people who are "grieving" for their lost innocence.

[Rex is back, baby!]

taomastercu님이 먼저 게시:

Athmet님이 먼저 게시:

My expectation is to understand the expectation of such threads/posts ?

I would also add, that having those threads popping up every now and then for the last decade makes that question even more important.

But again, if at the end it is just about sharing one's feeling/opinion, it is all good. I am kinda old so I am not really following the online trend of that sharing, but I would totally understand it is a thing.

Many people had a certain perception about Paradox and their games. Paradox is now indisputably not aligned with that perception. Those people who are basically left behind by the new Paradox wonder whether Paradox always wanted to make the new kind of PDox game but was limited by circumstance, financial primarily I'd imagine, or if they changed when they "made it". Just like when a band "sells out".

OP spells it out pretty clearly when they ask "what happened to Paradox and their userbase"?

Sometimes it can be hard to let go of a relationship, whether with a long time friend or with a once indie developer, when they change from what attracted you to them originally.

Instead of getting DLCs that are primarily mechanical advances now each mechanics change is packaged with a substantial amount of "graphical upgrades" and "event pack content". You are forced to pay a price for the DLC that accounts for the graphics and events you never asked for and don't care about. You can't just get the mechanical upgrades you care about for a separate price.

In a few years perhaps all the old Paradox players who dislike the new direction will accept the loss of their "childhood best friend developer" but for now they are still clinging on to the past. Of course some old Paradox players like the new direction and that is fine. But there's no need to mock and torment the people who are "grieving" for their lost innocence.

Well said.
This also exhibits the general lack of empathy on the internet.
It's near impossible to understand the emotional context without being with someone in-person. If you don't understand something, it's harder for you to rationalize or justify the actions of that something. This disconnects, plus the degrees of separation caused by the internet causes so much hostility and anger toward each other and it really comes down to a lack of understanding and miscommunications. At least, that's what I think.

We've all had 'hostile' break ups with companies in our life. I've had to do it with companies such as Turbine, Blizzard, and Ubisoft. It doesn't help, that many companies have shifted toward postmodernist marketing philosophy, which packages ideology and identity with their products. My opinion on that is old school, it should not matter whether or not a company supports XYZ social issue, they are not in that business. But to many, it does matter. Many companies now have to subscribe to that to sell their product.

I am ignorant if PDX does this. As far as I know, they have only taken a stance on the Russian-Ukraine conflict, correct?

[GeirOve]

jerrypocalypse님이 먼저 게시:

Kimlin님이 먼저 게시:

Millennials are considered old now…

The oldest millennials are into their 40s now. So I think it's fair to consider us "on the older side" as < blank > said.

Im in my 40s, I remember the first Nintendo game I got for my birthday. It cost 40 USD and was at half price. And that was 30 years ago. Metal Gear.

I have no problem paying 5 USD for a DLC. I buy cups of coffee for that. Today games are moving towards a live service, more than a one off buy. I see the benefit of that, more time, more updates should equal a better game. What I dont like is realising a game, and its obvious that it is barebones cause the mechanics are hidden behind a DLC, mechanics that clearly are intended for the full game. That is P2W model, or pay 2 qol like games that need stash tabs etc.

In these days, Kids are buying cosmetics, mobile games, and all short of digital stuff, im not sure how healthy this is. PDX is rather innocence compared to others. Just a digresjon. Have a nice weekend everyone

[Fluff Bunny]

It's the cost of everything that is keeping me from playing.

I waited until CK2 was free before I bought that because I saw the long list of DLC and comments about it's not worth playing without DLC. (And still ended up paying a tonne on DLC).

Base game of CK3 is going to have to drop below $20 before I buy it, knowing it's a hook to try and get you to buy DLCs. If it's just a hook to get me to buy more DLC at least make the base cheaper!

[Bordric]

GeirOve님이 먼저 게시:

The game with the DLCs are now up to about 120 USD, how much do you think Paradox can get away with? This price, no substantial content drop and the lack of updates still the game has allmost 90 procent positiv review.

What happen to the customers and Paradox?

Worth it, you can buy or not what we say here is not going to change anything.

No need for internet wannabe economic philosophers to get involved. It is what it is.

[Hopeless Knight]

Just buy the keys from other websites, some friends of mine got for 20$ all included, much better deal considering how barebones and slow the development is compared with CK2

[Swagarot]

from what i understood most of the dlcs (apart from the viking one) are garbage so just don't buy them, just get the base game and download mods..

[Captiva]

I did see key sites with it dirt cheap (around 10 bucks), those are shady at the very least and I would not use them.

You can however get it for 20 bucks on a legit key site right now and it activates on Steam.

[Old Scout]

You can get a cheap key for all the dlc. 13$ is what I got it for.

[lost]

wait til you see how much sims 4 dlc costs

[Squishyjellyfish]

paradox dlc is never cheap and at end of the game cycle it will be a few 100s of pounds. it's just something that comes with a paradox game

[JC]

well you can always wait for a game to cost what you would like to pay. But if you want something cheap might i suggest this? https://store.steampowered.com/app/1712840/Tiny_Tinas_Assault_on_Dragon_Keep_A_Wonderlands_Oneshot_Adventure/



But serious, even free games get ripped these days. Feel free to read the reviews about this one. People mad that it even exists. How can you take any Cost conversion seriously when even free brings out the trolls?

[komra³³]

Bro you can get a key with all the dlc for 30 bucks

[Jeysie]

The trick to Paradox DLC is either:

Get into a game from the start at which point you're just paying $20 every couple of years or whatever.

Or use sales and Humble Bundles to play catchup. Like I have almost every Cities DLC for way less than normal price thanks to Humble Bundles, and this game I also made use of Humble Bundles and Steam sales.