I'm still playing around Confederate Partition.

[Mo0on]

Can the developers do SOMETHING about this early-mid gameplay loop you have to repeat over and over for like 10 generations on EVERY CK3 playthrough until you unlock primo. T&T is cool and all but it doesn't really do anything to the way I play because Confederate partition is forced.

I'm playing the exact same way. If I give in and let confederate partition do its thing, I just lose all enjoyment and stop playing. Getting your stuff back is also repetitive. If I don't let it, then you have like 3 different options on how to deal with confederate partition and its starting to get extremely repetitive and boring.

T&T didn't do anything to change that, at all...
It added new things but didn't change anything about the boring part of the game.

[dwarfpcfan]

unfortunately, as stupid and unhistorical current confederate partition is it's not going away soon for most cultures/kingdoms. The only way around it is to be either VERY lucky or by being a ruthless evil bastard and desinhereting/murdering or forcing to holy order of kids

[Mo0on]

I feel like all it does is promote expansionism or self sabotage.

[Yhvh10]

Once you figure out how Confederate Partition works, I've found its pretty simple and easy to work around.

[Mo0on]

Originally posted by Yhvh10:

Once you figure out how Confederate Partition works, I've found its pretty simple and easy to work around.

I have many hours I know how it works I'm saying the way it makes us play is trash.

[dwarfpcfan]

Originally posted by Mo0on:

I feel like all it does is promote expansionism or self sabotage.

it's there to force you to not expand too much until the 1200s so that confederate partion and then partition don't hurt you too much with the splitting of counties and titles.

Basically you're expected to stay at 1 kingdom level until you can get high partition or taking the risk of using an elective.

incidentally this is why basque of all culture is so good. They start with visigothic codes, allowing you to get high partition day 1 in 867.

[Yhvh10]

Originally posted by Mo0on:

Originally posted by Yhvh10:

Once you figure out how Confederate Partition works, I've found its pretty simple and easy to work around.

I have many hours I know how it works I'm saying the way it makes us play is trash.

I dont find it frustrating, in fact I think its interesting to see the wars of succession that explode every generation because of it.

However yeah. There isnt any real historical grounds for confederate partition that I know of.

[Mo0on]

Originally posted by dwarfpcfan:

Originally posted by Mo0on:

I feel like all it does is promote expansionism or self sabotage.

it's there to force you to not expand too much until the 1200s so that confederate partion and then partition don't hurt you too much with the splitting of counties and titles.

Basically you're expected to stay at 1 kingdom level until you can get high partition or taking the risk of using an elective.

incidentally this is why basque of all culture is so good. They start with visigothic codes, allowing you to get high partition day 1 in 867.

What ends up happening is you speed run till you get 1 kingdom because you can't disinherit at start unless you play with a good dynasty, then disinherit/murder/celibacy until you get 3 kingdoms, create empire. Rinse repeat for all playthroughs.

The AI is also smarter in their aggression now, so when you have civil wars you get attacked from outside as well. Making this playstyle even more prevalent than before. Like every time I go to war I get raided by randoms that I have to backtrack, crush them, then continue my war, lol.

There are other ways like some shenanigans you can do with the voting systems.

[Yhvh10]

Originally posted by dwarfpcfan:

Originally posted by Mo0on:

I feel like all it does is promote expansionism or self sabotage.

it's there to force you to not expand too much until the 1200s so that confederate partion and then partition don't hurt you too much with the splitting of counties and titles.

Weird. I use expansion as a workaround for it. I can give my spare sons duchies or kingdoms and then they can do their own thing and leave my main heir alone.

[jerrypocalypse]

Elective laws are your friend.

[Mo0on]

Originally posted by jerrypocalypse:

Elective laws are your friend.

Originally posted by Mo0on:

There are other ways like some shenanigans you can do with the voting systems.

[jerrypocalypse]

Originally posted by Mo0on:

Originally posted by jerrypocalypse:

Elective laws are your friend.

Originally posted by Mo0on:

There are other ways like some shenanigans you can do with the voting systems.

It seems you already know a solution to your problem then.

[Razorblade]

Just get a mod that enables Primo instantly. Mods don't disable achievements anymore, so there's literally no excuse not to if it's impacting your enjoyment that much.

[Harris]

Originally posted by dwarfpcfan:

it's there to force you to not expand too much until the 1200s

In my experience you either create an empire in the early game or never, because by that point you are surrounded with large, powerful, stable realms intermarried to each other which you can't possibly hope to defeat.

My favorite trick is Found a New Kingdom decision - my personal best is merging 12 russian duchies with it. Gives you enough land to last for a while.

[Ruffio]

There is mod's that will allow for early primo. I know of one, where it is possible get it once you got a kingdom title and all counties belonging to that kingdom title.

[Mo0on]

All I'm saying is I'm getting bored of using exploits and don't want to rely on modders to cheat, and letting partition run its course is even less enjoyable. The answer to bad/lazy gameplay mechanics shouldn't be "use mods".

I know nothing will change soon, Persia and more disruptive popups are coming, but I want them to keep in mind nobody in their right mind actually enjoys this mechanic after the first few playthroughs. It forces your playstyle down a narrow path that gets repetitive, to the point you can't even enjoy these DLC's for long because the core loop is boring with zero variety in playstyles.

Unless you self sabotage and purposely don't do anything for hundreds of years except read popups, oh boi fun.

I just want more depth to this inheritance system.