Feudal elective won't let me choose my eldest son to inherit any idea what's going on?

[MehGahLorp]

I am playing a Duke in Italy
I have 3 Duke titles
All titles have Feudal elective
My eldest son WAS an option (the winning option) until:

I recently made one of my counties a republic:
Revoke barony mayor's title
Move county capital to city
Grant county to Nephew

'Eldest' son now no longer an option
All the rest of my kids and my sister ARE eligible options

So I revoke my Nephew's title and get back the city
Didn't like him anyways

My Eldest son returns to being an option!
Big success

Grant the republic county to an unrelated vassal
"grant title to a local Cisalpine Culture" button
BOOM old guy

Eldest son NO LONGER an option

So I have another idea:
Revoke the old guy's title
(Son is back on the menu)
Call back the nephew because he now has a son
Grant county back to nephew

Son off the menu

So, I had thought that the game was eliminating my eldest son because it wasn't properly predicting or processing that my eldest son was the valid inheritor of the republic title: like 'if my son can inherit a republic title then he's a republic option and therefore disqualified from the feudal elective candidacy'. But since BOTH an unrelated vassal AND a vassal that has their own kids to be processed before my son eliminate him from succession; I don't know what's going on.

To further complicate matters I ALREADY HAVE ANOTHER COUNT TIER REPUBLIC VASSAL! Granted to a cousin, now inherited by a nobody; I've had him for most of the game now and he wasn't messing up my feudal elective. What could be the problem with the latest addition?

For now I've revoked the title and am sitting at 7/4 domain limit until I can figure this out.

I need my Eldest to inherit because he's going to get his father's Duke Title upon succession (another one to add to my collection).

[MehGahLorp]

I just tried something:
I granted my eldest son a county of his own
My Son is back on the menu, even with the republic county in my nephew's hands

'Fall in a well, Eyes go Crossed. Kicked by a mule, Eyes go Straight'

I don't know what's going on.

[MehGahLorp]

Bad news:
Husband died
Son Inherited Duchy
Son is OFF the menu

Oddly, my other sons ALSO inherited some of my late husband's titles, as counts, and yet they are still on the menu.

[Emperor2000]

Originally posted by MehGahLorp:

I am playing a Duke in Italy
I have 3 Duke titles
All titles have Feudal elective
My eldest son WAS an option (the winning option) until:

I recently made one of my counties a republic:
Revoke barony mayor's title
Move county capital to city
Grant county to Nephew

'Eldest' son now no longer an option
All the rest of my kids and my sister ARE eligible options

So I revoke my Nephew's title and get back the city
Didn't like him anyways

My Eldest son returns to being an option!
Big success

Grant the republic county to an unrelated vassal
"grant title to a local Cisalpine Culture" button
BOOM old guy

Eldest son NO LONGER an option

So I have another idea:
Revoke the old guy's title
(Son is back on the menu)
Call back the nephew because he now has a son
Grant county back to nephew

Son off the menu

So, I had thought that the game was eliminating my eldest son because it wasn't properly predicting or processing that my eldest son was the valid inheritor of the republic title: like 'if my son can inherit a republic title then he's a republic option and therefore disqualified from the feudal elective candidacy'. But since BOTH an unrelated vassal AND a vassal that has their own kids to be processed before my son eliminate him from succession; I don't know what's going on.

To further complicate matters I ALREADY HAVE ANOTHER COUNT TIER REPUBLIC VASSAL! Granted to a cousin, now inherited by a nobody; I've had him for most of the game now and he wasn't messing up my feudal elective. What could be the problem with the latest addition?

For now I've revoked the title and am sitting at 7/4 domain limit until I can figure this out.

I need my Eldest to inherit because he's going to get his father's Duke Title upon succession (another one to add to my collection).

Short Answer: Don't go elective in CK3, it has too many Bugs and most them, where already in CK2, they have only ported it over to CK3, you only have to look at the succession_election and the elective_successions_scripted_modifiers.

[ChaosKhan]

Elective is a trap... it appears really cool, until you realise, that it's by far the hardest to control form of inheritance in the game. The AI double crosses your expectations too much and death is usually very spontaneous and unpredictable. Well played partition is most probably the second best inheritance law in the game, because not only can you choose who inherits, you have also tons of ways to make sure, that your realm doesn't splinter.

So yeah, as the one above me wrote: Don't go elective. :D

[Fx]

Originally posted by ChaosKhan:

Elective is a trap... it appears really cool, until you realise, that it's by far the hardest to control form of inheritance in the game. The AI double crosses your expectations too much and death is usually very spontaneous and unpredictable. Well played partition is most probably the second best inheritance law in the game, because not only can you choose who inherits, you have also tons of ways to make sure, that your realm doesn't splinter.

So yeah, as the one above me wrote: Don't go elective. :D

It really is not that hard at all. For example:

As an emperor, you simply give your dynasty primary titles of duchys/kingdoms. Ensure that you are not a tyrant so that they like you. I always make sure to give them 4-5 counties to really boost their affinity to me

If you need a little persuasion, just switch to only one point into Intrigue for the Truth is Relative perk so you can fabricate hooks. Congratulations, you just forced the electors to vote exactly like you for 100 years

Truth be told, I rarely have to use fabricated hooks

[captain403]

Only Time I use feudal elective is for the 2 duchies I want to keep in my demesne. If you control all the counties, you become the only elector for those duchies. Being feudal elective removes them from the lands that get divided between your children. So if you have 3 eligible heirs, usually you would only keep 1-2 counties plus a duchy. But if you vote the duchies to your #1 heir, (s)he gets both duchies undivided, even if that means the other heirs get nothing.

Late game when you don't divide your lands, that is no longer needed.