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Just appoint another son to be the successor.
So say you have two sons. Under confederate partition, half of them go to son A, half to son B. If son A has two sons of his own, those two sons are in line for the titles that son A would inherit. So if son A dies, the titles he would have gotten instead get split between his sons, your grandsons. So the two grandsons get a quarter of the titles, and son B gets his original half of the titles. If son A had instead been disinherited, he would no longer be in line for titles, and thus his sons wouldn't either, and everything would go to son B.
Early in the game, especially in the 800s start, you don't have a lot of control of succession. That's part of the challenge of the game. Here are some things you can do to have more control:
* Have fewer children, either with low fertility marriages, or with the 'take celibacy' perk in the learning lifestyle.
* Disinherit non-favored children if you're the dynasty head.
* If you're Catholic, you can 'encourage' your other loser sons to become monks, which removes them from succession.
* Murder. While you can't directly murder your children unless you're sadistic, you can 'bravely volunteer' them to lead armies, have them die in tragic 'accidents' while hunting, or imprison them for a crime and 'forget' to let them out of the dungeon. You can also antagonize them into being your rival and then fight them with the martial perk, hoping to wound them. In the new DLC, some grand tournament or travel events can wound or kill your entourage, and if you bring your kids along, that could be them, but it's unreliable.
* Apply the feudal elective (or other forms of elective, if your culture allows it) law to your titles, but this gets cumbersome when you have a lot of titles and need to juggle elections. Plus, your vassals might not vote for the right kid. Click on the title itself (where you see succession order) and click "add law".
Partition Laws *should* remove lineages of dead sons from succession, that's how CK2 did it.
Only Primogeniture should continue through grandchildren, like it does in real modern monarchies.
Thing is that CK3 was supposed to create the maximum amount of stress and drama for the player, that's why all cultures have to start with some form of Partition regardless of wether this succession type was ever used in real history.
Basically they wanted to make the game more dynamic by allowing for much easier CBs leading to much more aggressive expansion, while at the same time making succession, factions and random deaths more punishing.
As a result, Partition uses Primogeniture mechanics, just to screw you over a little more.
As normally a dead son would be removed from the succession pool, though now his son also keeps the share; this doesn't only mean you need more titles for all sons combined, but you also likely have to play as a child with all the attached problems.
> This creates a healthy age gap between generations, so for example if your ruler dies at the age of 60, the heir would be not older than 30 years rather than 44 (basically doubling your playtime in office)
> This prevents an uncontrolled procreation of your heirs, not only for his own marriage but also for illegitimate children (as only landed rulers can actually use schemes)
> An heir in your court has the highest life expectancy due to having the best scheme protection, medical treatments and living standards
> You get to select the best fitting young wife at the right time, making it much less likely to have affairs and turn into a nasty dragon outside of your control zone
> More really dumb stuff, like landed heirs always let their own children rule over Baronies with 0 scheme protection or medical aid
Thank you for the great tips!
Did not realize the titles get passed down to grandchildren if a child dies before inheriting. Thank you!
About not giving landed titles... you mean counties specifically right... or baronies I suppose? Why is this a problem?
I read that giving a duchy to a non-primary heir was a good way to remove them from the inheritance line though, is that correct?
And a second effect is they might die earlier, because the AI is really bad at this Game.
(At least for me, because I have to imprison and disinherit, 2 childs in my actual campaign, because of their Lover's Secret and this was nearly soon as they have Come of Age).
And it is probably safe, to say that giving out Baronies, to your Player Heir can be useful, because Barons have the same AI, as a Courtier, but you should prefer to keep your Heir at your Court and don't marry them to some random landed women.
Yes you can give them a title of the rank they deserve in advance, but this has several problems.
> This makes them an AI player in their own responsibility, which means they have to employ their own court physician, bodyguard and such. For spymaster they'll pick a random powerful vassal. This is all a recipe for disaster.
> As such they might negotiate an alliance with e.g. another landed brother, or someone else you really don't want a future alliance for strategical concerns. Example with someone you may have to go to war with or revoke their titles. They also get to arrange betrothals for their own children, usually with the worst possible partners and strategical constellations.
> This often means they get called to war by their allies, then end up rotting in a dungeon, get injured or killed, plenty of things you may want to avoid with your first 1-2 sons.
> Leaving sons as landed rulers for some time also allows them to accumulate gold, prestige, and the mentioned alliances, even conquer more land unless you have sufficient crown authority.
So when it's time for succession, you may already have dangerous rivals and title claimants just waiting to start a revolt. A problem you groomed all by yourself.
> They are also subject to things like revolts from their own vassals, which may end up with them losing their title, so your succession strategy has a big hole you need to plug with another title.
> If you still have Confederate Partition, this is partiularily bad. Because if you give a son a specific Duchy now, he may stand to inherit a whole kingdom somewhere else. This could even be from your vassals conquering or inheriting a bit of land you didn't expect.
Now he gets to keep the Duchy in your realm, and he gets the capital of the new kingdom, and becomes independent.
And it gets even worse: If you gave other sons land inside his new kingdom, this disqualifies them from inheritance of the titles you already gave them. This is because no heirs are allowed to inherit in a setup which made them the vassal of another heir, except for your primary heir of course becoming their liege.
So they'll inherit all of your own counties instead, unless you have more duchy titles elsewhere.
> Lastly the reminder, you can never give away titles in a way which lets your heirs become independent. They always stand to inherit land or titles within your realm.
So with all that in consideration: Yes you can absolutely give land and titles to your sons, in hope to never bother with the succession problem again.
However, the regular game flow works different. Sometimes you get to conquer more land while you don't have enough sons to land in these titles, and then you may not be able to conquer enough land for all of your sons.
The simple solution: Give all new counties away to random lowborns without family ties.
Then, whenever a new son is born, you create one of the available duchy titles.
And that's it, you're done until another son gets born. Only downside is that vassals start getting grumpy once you hoard like 4-5+ duchy titles, but that's a manageable price for orderly succession.
Supose we have 8 counts for 2 sons. I give 4 of them to my heir. Will my second son inherit the other 4 counts (to have similar land) or just 2 because it is the half of the available counts?
For the first generation before I have a lot of dynasty members, I land the other heirs with a county since I'm probably expanding pretty quick to race to a Kingdom title before the 1st generation character dies and it splits. After there are oodles of dynasty members I just give all my holdings away to them, usually only holding the capital county and whatever I've conquered recently. When the character is in bad health or in old age I hand out the other counties and only have the capital. The primary heir inherits without a split and maintains whatever scattered counties could be given to them since you can only give them titles they stand to inherit anyways. Of couse make sure they are betrothed before giving them a title, and also as above posters said they will be a little less safer.
If I give non-primary heirs a title for partition reasons I try not to also make them a Duke or King and instead make them a vassal to a dynasty member who doesn't have claims on the player's title, if one is available, such as a dynasty member from a female dynasty member married matrilinearly to a mayor or eligible theocratic title holder who you've invited to court.
If you press F2 (Realm), then click on the Succession tab on the right, and expand the "Lost Titles on Succession" at the bottom: You can see who exactly gets which titles.
This tab is always up to date, so if you for example create a second duchy title from owned land, this would instantly show the second son as receiving this title - instead of any number of counties.
What's going to happen is that he inherits the duchy title, and the capital county of this duchy. Whoever lives there is going to be kicked out automatically, he isn't going to like this but that isn't your problem anymore after you're dead.
Counties are generally very bad for succession, the game always expects higher titles of at least Duchy rank. You can give them random counties, but this will create "border gore" where different vassals will expect ownership over the same vassal of yours, also the "not rightful liege" penalty means a vassal pays 50% reduced taxes to their liege.
This problem also will get worse in the future, because a son with several counties in different duchies will randomly distribute them among his own sons.
And i think no matter how many counties you give away, they will always end up getting more counties from your personal domain. As mentioned one simple duchy or kingdom title can fix all of this.
Another related question. If I land a son below 16 years old, will I be his regent automatically? If not, any way to choose someone reliable?