Inheritance bug?

[Duck]

Hi, last night I had a big issue with inheritance/succession and I'll try and write it as clear as possible because it might get confusing.

I'm playing as an emperor of 2 empires, specifically the baltic empire and carparthia so you know where. West-Slavia exists and it's owned by my cousin so it's inbetween both of my empires. I have about 4-5 sons? with partition succession. Playing iron man so I have to task manager kill it everytime I die.

Now the issue, everytime I die I lose carparthia but not what you might think. I had thought that my second son would take it which is what I wanted, my third son was going to get bohemia ( for some reason I still had it when I lost West Slavia ) and my 4th son had a duchy (Duchy of bacs in carparthia) and the game was saying he wasn't going to inherit anything like any personal castles in my main duchy and my 5th son was going to get one of my castles which is no problem. This is what the game was telling me when checking the inheritances and that was all fine with me.

So back to when I died I had lost carparthia but I still had the kingdom. All my sons, including the one with the duchy of bacs, got a piece of my castles back in my capital duchy. I lost bohemia too which I knew would happen. I forgot to point out that I had set the exclave rule to strict. Instead of my 2nd son inheriting carparthia I instead kept carparthia ( The title) but lost my vassals. My vassals were the kingdom of Pannonia and Wallachia, duchy of bacs, rab and balaton and a few counts.

Not only that, now this is where it gets weird. My king vassals, pannonia and wallachia lost their vassals too. Carparthia becomes a big mess of many little different duchys and counts while the kings are left with their own personal domains with no vassals. Is this intended even with an exclave split? Why wouldn't wallachia and pannonia become independent with their own vassals still under their control. I am still the emperor of carpathia and my brothers have a piece of my personal castles each.

This doesn't seem right and why wouldn't my 2nd son inherit Carparthia even though it wasn't connected to my main empire? It would be independent from me.

Anyone know what happened?

[kalanyr]

What's your primary title and where is your capital located ? It's your primary title that goes to your heir and the game will try and give your capital county and it's De Jure chain goes to the first in line of succession. It's possible that between those two things and the territory you lost due to the exclave being removed that things get totally messed up.

[Duck]

Ah, so my primary title is the baltic empire and the capital is in the duchy of lithuania, Kernave. The 2nd empire title is Carparthia. I did think initially that it messed up a bit between exclave and a realm split. I just think that the realm split should have a been a priority. Worst still, the game will tell me that my inheritance to my sons will be my 2nd empire, a duchy and one castle but when I die none of that happens and they all have castles in my main duchy.

I don't know if it's a bug or if exclave overrides a new empire forming on succession. I figured a way around this would be to give my 2nd son the 2nd empire before I die and disinherit him and the others so they don't take the castles which I don't like to do but oh well.

[kalanyr]

Exclaves shouldn't override a new empire forming unless you lose enough territory that you no longer qualify for the Empire (since you don't hold the 2nd empire title because it's not created when you die it's possible for the Exclave rule to remove territory due to exclave that would be De Jure of the second title if you don't have another valid preserve the Exclave rule for them)

[Duck]

I took some screenshots to show what happens. The first 2 links will be as my old emperor and what the vassals in Carparthia look like ( 2 big kingdoms and some counts/duke )

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2916347339
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2916347346

And these 2 screenshots is what it looks like when I die and what happens to my former vassals too

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2916347355
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2916347361

At this point I know that I could probably avoid this by giving my 2nd son the 2nd empire before I die. It's at least preventable but I suppose this post is more of a PSA to show this bug/issue if it's a bug/issue. In the first and 3rd screenshots you can see I'm hovering over the carparthia title and you see that I still hold the title in the 3rd screenshot. I thought it would have been destroyed. It's all so messy, I thought I knew the rules well and this just happens and confuses me a lot.

[kalanyr]

Huh. Something really weird happened there. A King shouldn't go independent when there's Empire titles around unless he got freed by Exclave indepence ? Vassal's should stick to the Realm title (which is your Primary title*).

[CrUsHeR]

1. When checking future inheritance, always do that with the succession tab (F2 -> succession -> expand "lost titles"). The character cards with the "heir to x,y,z" info are not updated in realtime and may display completely wrong information.

2. Just in case, make sure your capital is located within your primary title. If this doesn't match and you have different titles of the same tier to inherit, weird things can happen.

[Duck]

It seems like an exclave issue overall. It seems to override a new realm on succession if it's capable of being exclaved?

For the these screens, the first shows what my succession will be while I'm alive. My first son will get the main empire (Baltic empire) and all the counties in my capital which is in de jure Baltic.
My 2nd son gets carparthia and I know that they usually forcibly revoke the de jure capital if unlanded.
3rd son gets bohemia which I was hoarding.
4th son is already landed in Carparthia as a duke and doesn't show up in succession

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2916383157

here is what actually happens and what my sons inherit.
I lose bohemia entirely and from the screenshots before I lose carparthia entirely save for my 4th son's duchy. All my sons get a castle and barony from my capital duchy

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2916383176

Again I still think i can avoid this by giving my 2nd son the 2nd empire before dying and disinheriting them from getting my capital counties. It's just that. kinda sucks this happens, this mess.

[kalanyr]

Exclaves shouldn't override things but they might interrupt it because I believe exclaves happen before the divying up is done, so it'll happen before Confederate generates Titles which is the first thing that happens in the divvying up process (creating any titles of the same rank as your primary title that you're eligible to create).

[Duck]

That's good to know now. What are the chances that someone is gonna have 2 empires that aren't even connected and is playing on strict exclave rules anyway. I find it a little funny too that I can make all those counts and dukes who became independent as my vassals again but with low vassal contribution. The exclave just seems pointless if I still hold the empire's title.