Concentrate on Europe and Muslim Empire, forget the rest

[Greywolf]

Hi paradox!

Here is what I am looking for and not.

What I would like:
- Make diplomacy as intelligent as in Stellaris. This game has really nice diplomatic system that allows you to deal with other nations according to their mentality, culture, government type and some other factors. We can actually DEAL with them unlike other paradox games and many other from other companies. It is not impossible to deal with others like in Hearts of Iron series where you have all kinds of options in the diplomatic menu, but no one wants anything to do with you (so what is the point of having this diplo menu in the first place if it does not work?), or Europa Universalis who barely works from time to time.
- That you concentrate on Europe and the Muslim Empire (afterall, it is Crusader Kings and not Dynasty Kings we are playing)
- Include all expansions of CK 2 that relates to Europe and the Muslims in the base game of CK3. (Especially the good ones, not that dumdum Sunset Invasion junk.)
- Better AI and not just buffing numbers to get a challenging or more challenging game (3 AIs, one easy, average and one tough. Then youmake two variants of each, one with boni/mali and another with default values, so that even with the hard AI you can still play a more difficult game by giving it several boni.).
- Asking permission to pass troops through foreign lands. Troops should not enter a lord's lands without his permission. Doing so would be a casus beli for the one the army was attacking against the lord who allows the troops to pass through his lands. Also, if one moves troops through one's land without the lord's permission is an act of war.
- Serious attrition while moving troops in boats over long distance. Troops on ships should suffer greater attrition. I find it silly that the muslims invade Scandinavia from Eqypt or England invading the holy land with a huge army via boat.
- Troops move further away from the frontiers of their lands should double the attrition factor for each territory they are from it, which includes conquered lands (crusades would treat any allied territory as friendly, since we are playing Crusader Kings afterall). So two territories would multiply by two the attrition and four territories away from your lands would be multiplied by eight. That way, there would not be any armies that runs around the map without suffering any consequences like diseases, lack of food, ammunition, tiredness, lower and lower morale, etc. The attrition would be worse if you siege a territory away from the frontier, like 50% worse. I find the enemy troops running around without any penalties and even regenerating in your own lands silly and not realistic.Armies should always retreat in their own lands even if they are all conquered, never in other lands unless they were given the permission to be inside those lands by its lord.
- A similar friendly interface.
- Less numbers and more changes when taking decisions. If I make a choice, I would like things to change for real in the game, not just give me +2 this, and -1 that. I do not mind having a few of those, but just them? When we pass laws or make important choices, it should change your game, or at least your realm. Like if you pass a law that protects a certain type of citizen, then it would bar certain bad events related to this law and the people it concerns until the law is repealed or ignored by the monarch.
- While in your own lands (not conquered enemy's or yours), you armies should get reinforced by the amount of troops the building they are from generates instead of putting them inside the building. This will remove the need to disband and call back the troops.
- The highest lord in a realm be it a duke, king or emperor, should have the option to force upon or persuade his vassals his laws including inheritance and minor laws happening in events that happens throughout the game.
- Bigger Socio-economic impact of wars, any wars. Sometimes, it feels that we are just playing lords and ladies, and that the people under them are just numbers.
- Criminals, including pirates, should remain an off-map thing.
- Assignment of lords to missions (research, diplomatic, social, economic, spying, fostering wars, etc.). It is most unfortunate that you cannot give commands to your vassals other than wage wars and sit on your council. It would be nice if you could send them on missions or give them jobs to do. Like X go to Y's court to forge an alliance/non-agression pact, lord A go to lord B and make a commercial deal we have too many vegetables this season they will spoil and B's people are missing some, Lord 1 needs to go see the archbishop to convince him to baptise my newborn son and heir, a quest to find the Holy Grail, etc. And that for all your vassals and court members, not just your council members. This would be a good way to build your heir's or other members of family's experience as an adult. It would also be a good way to favour certain lords on important or prestigious missions.


What I do not want to see :
- Eastward expansions in India, the Steppes, and further east. That is for another game called Dynasty Kings which I hope Paradox will bring us someday especially with the more powerful computers we have today and exploit the quads and octos CPU (from Ancient China to the European Middle Ages to the great Era of the Samurais in Japan). So no expansion in the east, it has nothing to do with Crusades.
- A stupid Sunset invasion expansion. That was the lamest one ever! Do some subsaharan pagan warlord invasion with one to three 10k armies, that should scare the area a little... and make it randomly between east and west coast Africa with some sort of rumours warning the lords of the area about a warlord coming from the south. Also, why must it be somthing super tough to fight, it could just be one to four 5k armies.
- Troops going through other's lands without any agreement (as stated earlier) or consequences other than attrition (numbers again).
- Computer controlled characters obeying a different set of rules than the player. Many games are like that, and it sucks. Hopefuly, we can have a game where everyone obeys the same set of rules.
- Graphics are unimportant since you spen 95% of your time zoomed out. So put your money in game design, AI and programming/debugging. I really do not care if it looks like if it was CK 1! As long as it contains all of CK2 's most popular expansions in Europe and the muslim Empire and a proper AI.
- Troops on ships going from England to the the holy land without suffering any attrition, especially huge armies of 10k++. Silly... and getting reinforcements while there should be quite tough (like 25 to 50% the normal rate) since your replacements are kind of far.
- A zillion DLCs like Euro Truck Simulator or worse. Stick to expansions that are worthwhile. I do not care about "unit packs" or other graphical junk. If there should be an expansion, it better be big, not just some lame junk like Sunset invasion or something small. I do not mind waiting two years for a good thorough bir expansion rather than have like four dlcs a year. Also, the prices of most of paradox's dlc are overpriced for their size, it should not happend with CK 3.


Those are the main things that comes up my mind and bugs me the most.

[Greywolf]

I am saying this so that they concentrate on Europe and the Muslim world first mostly. I do not see what is the big deal with the east anyways. The eastern map expansion adds nothing new to the game and no crusades happens there either, especiall in India or Tibet and further east.

The best for us players is that they concentrate on what is the game about, Crusaders! CK2 kind of distanced itself from the crusades until a certain expansion where it was developed further.

And yes, I think I would love a Dynasty Kings. :D

[Magnus Aurelius, Bright Lord]

I spent 2-3 years playing only as India. Lots going on there, It's definitely my favorite place to play.

Originally posted by Greywolf:

...The best for us players...

Please, remember to speak for yourself as you did with your original message.

[Greywolf]

Yeah, empire building is fun but limited in depth. What makes CK fun is the family oriented game... not talking about the category of game here. ;)
Will you be able to survive?
They should focus on that and the crusades first. The rest can come later in optional dlcs. Unless they change the name of their game to Dynasty Kings and increase the time period from ancient China to the early 1400s, bring it on! :)

But I firmly want all the good expansions that are in Europe and the Muslim empire in CK2 to be there in CK3 base game... otherwise why should I even buy CK3 if it does not have anything but CK2's base game? Not worth the money to spend again all over. That is why I do not invest in The Sims games or other games with tons of dlc (I just have sims 3 and that is enough, I'll wait in 2030 to get a new one). I did not buy the new Hearts of Iron either, it is not worth the money to buy all over these skinny dlcs at high price all over again (I have 1, 2 when the dlc disease did not exist, plus the third and that is enough. 4th only changes some thing but is super shallow, no socio-economical layers).

[Magnus Aurelius, Bright Lord]

Originally posted by Greywolf:

But I firmly want all the good expansions that are in Europe and the Muslim empire in CK2 to be there in CK3 base game... otherwise why should I even buy CK3 if it does not have anything but CK2's base game? Not worth the money to spend again all over. That is why I do not invest in The Sims games

Asking them to fit 7 years worth of work is quite something to ask. I'm not sure they want to work for 7 years before getting paid. Also, buying video games is not an investment. The proper word(s) would be : "purchase" / "waste money on" / "buy" / "spend".

[Greywolf]

They do not need to work 7 years. They already have the material, they do not need to create it, just put it inside the game. Also, they do not need to include ALL expansions, just those that are meaningful like Old Gods for example.

[Magnus Aurelius, Bright Lord]

That's not how it works.

[Greywolf]

I,m not saying they copy-paste everything. They might import the bugs or the bad parts. Just importing everything that was right and leave the wrong parts out but codig it so it fits CK3.

If they have contracted The Sims syndrome, I do not feel like buying anything from Paradox anymore. I have not bought Hearts of Iron 4 because I felt it was a money grab just like HoI3 but with less stuff in it (HoI 3 is much better, although I would love to have the ability to create fronts like in HOI4 but in HoI3). Not to mention that boring and senate-less roman game they have made. I'll never buy that load of dung. Paradox is going down the same path as Bethesda, quantity is better than quality. The last AAA company that I like is going closer and closer to fall down the drain. :'(

[NicouLenny]

Hello there, and thank you very much for your feedback.
Collecting your thoughts is a very important part of the ongoing development.

Regarding the map, it will be flat and roughly match that of CK2. We will however, have a few new additions: the entirety of Tibet will be present, unlike CK2 where the most eastern parts were excluded, and sub-Saharan Africa is also extended, where we’ve gone all the way to the Nigerian coast. We are also extending the map to include more of Mongolia.
China won't be on the map.

[NicouLenny]

Eventually, China could join Crusader Kings III, or not.
I am unable to give you that information at the moment.
I appreciate your understanding :)

Do you mean improvements over Crusader Kings II?
CK3 will feature an updated engine (Clausewitz Engine + Jomini-toolset) with more power to run new features.

[Greywolf]

Ah, so it's a Dynasty Kings afterall. :D

Thanks for responding.

I still hope CK3 won't catch the American truck Sim (with their one state one dlc thing) or The Sims disease with a million DLCs. A three or four well-thought thorough expansions and one to three cosmetic/music pack would be enough. I had my fill of dlcs with CK2 and EU4.

Still unsure if the game will be worth buying if you already have CK2. Especially if the AI and rules (armies can go anywhere without restrictions or political impacts) are practically the same. I do not care about graphics since I spend 95% of the time zoomed out, and I am probably not the only one since this is a strategy game.

[Marva]

Personally, I'm more interested in changing the fate of the Ghanaian Empire. Possibly converting the West Africans to Christianity.

[Marva]

Originally posted by Nicou12313:

Hello there, and thank you very much for your feedback.
Collecting your thoughts is a very important part of the ongoing development.

Regarding the map, it will be flat and roughly match that of CK2. We will however, have a few new additions: the entirety of Tibet will be present, unlike CK2 where the most eastern parts were excluded, and sub-Saharan Africa is also extended, where we’ve gone all the way to the Nigerian coast. We are also extending the map to include more of Mongolia.
China won't be on the map.

Cool. Hausaland memery inbound.

[Greywolf]

I would not mind having an intelligent diplomatic system that actually works like in Stellaris (main reason I keep playing this game and the others like the new Master of Orion, Endless space 2 and so on, goes down the drain due to inexistant diplomacy).

Same goes for Heart of Iron series. The diplomacy in that game is useless, nothing works.

[ludendorff]

güzel

[Goose]

If I want to make Siberia the most prosperous land in the entire world, I should be able to! SILENCE!