The Americas

[MrKunk]

I would love to see this game and map get expanded to include North and South American continents. If the tribal areas of northern Europe, Asia, and Africa can be mapped then so can the Native American Tribal territories. The Shawnee, Lakota and other tribes controlled vast swaths of land in this time period and had their own unique religions.

I was sad to see half the world was forgotten and excluded from the game.

In real life the Chinese claim to be the genetic ancestors of the Shawnee.. Would this give China De jure claims on American territories?

[bulbatrs]

I don't see how it is possible for chinese to cross pacific ocean at that point in time.

[MrKunk]

Originally posted by bulbatrs:

I don't see how it is possible for chinese to cross pacific ocean at that point in time.

Me either. But I've read about DNA evidence that supports the Idea.. They think it happened Around the time the island of Japan was colonized/ Discovered or something.

I guess they came down the coast from Alaska.

[MrKunk]

I mention questions like the one above in the real world and peoples minds are blown then they become angry because they fear its chinese propaganda to gain a claim 100 years from now. Or People cant even understand what i'm saying.

I figured this game created a perfect think tank to discuss the Question.

A lot of you have better educations than I do. Please research let me know your thoughts.

[MrKunk]

A book by Allen W. Eckart called "That Dark and Bloody River" States some facts in the prologue about Native American tribes of this period. It also unknowingly supports the idea by saying all tribes originated between the Alaskan and Californian coast.

[Poompaxhotl-Mardxvar]

The game is barely playable after a few hundred years, and you want to add more placeholder cultures/religions, lol?
Just wait until After the End releases.

[VipreRX]

Originally posted by MrKunk:

I was sad to see half the world was forgotten and excluded from the game.

It wasn't "forgotten", the game is called CRUSADER KINGS, not Lakota Chieftains. The focus is medieval Europe not pre-Columbian Americas.
Africa and Western Asia has to be included because the Muslim lands were such a big component of the age.
India however is just a waste of processing power, has been since CK2.

[Razorblade]

What would be the point? Characters in the Americas and in Europe wouldn't be able to interact at all, as wide-scale oceanic travel wasn't developed until after CK3's timeframe. You'd double the processing power required for absolutely no change in gameplay. May as well just make a separate game or mod about the Americas at that point.

[Zippo]

Originally posted by Auçalom Poompaxhotl-Mardxvar:

The game is barely playable after a few hundred years, and you want to add more placeholder cultures/religions, lol?
Just wait until After the End releases.

Get rid of your toasting machine.

[Aragon]

Crusader Kings... CRUSADER.... KINGS.
The game's name speaks to itself.

[mb3]

If the game map expands to show the Americas then it becomes EUIV and not Crusader Kings.

[DerEld]

It exists a mod in the workshop with the hole world as map, it works with version 1.5.
But the characters and named county, countrys and kingdoms are crap...

[Ashling]

Originally posted by MrKunk:

In real life the Chinese claim to be the genetic ancestors of the Shawnee.. Would this give China De jure claims on American territories?

Saying "Chinese" makes it sound like the dynastic emperors sailed across the Pacific to colonize Alaska which is a funny thought. Surely you mean proto-Chinese, or whatever name we use for the people who roamed Asia before the concept of cultures and civilization even existed.

Originally posted by MrKunk:

Allen W. Eckart

Looking at his work and I wouldn't take his word as gospel. Definitely look into his book's sources when reading them.

[Bloodartist]

Originally posted by MrKunk:

I would love to see this game and map get expanded to include North and South American continents. If the tribal areas of northern Europe, Asia, and Africa can be mapped then so can the Native American Tribal territories. The Shawnee, Lakota and other tribes controlled vast swaths of land in this time period and had their own unique religions.

I was sad to see half the world was forgotten and excluded from the game.

In real life the Chinese claim to be the genetic ancestors of the Shawnee.. Would this give China De jure claims on American territories?

Because Americas would be completely detached from the rest of the CK3 game world, I dont see why it should be included. Kolumbus was in late 1400s. It would seem very artificial addition that I wouldnt want to play. Ive been disappointed in the viking and Iberia DLCs as well because they are so heavily area-specific.

ps. Crossing the frozen sea from tip of Asia to Alaska seems possible.

pps. Dont forget Vikings. Theres been more evidence uncovered lately about them traveling further inland than originally thought.

[MP]

Originally posted by Aragon:

Crusader Kings... CRUSADER.... KINGS.
The game's name speaks to itself.

Did you mean Crusader Emirs?

[VipreRX]

Playable Muslims were only added because players kept complaining about half the map/characters in the game being blocked off and wanting to defend against the crusades rather than wage them. Two halves of the same coin, fighting as the crusader kings or fighting against them.