Do your vassals expand territory without permission?

[Starred109]

I'm thinking of getting this game, and one of the most annoying things about ck2 was the fact that your stupid vassals could declare war on other countries and expand your kingdom's territory without your permission, the reason I hate this is because I like to create my own borders and play the governmental side of this genre, and because it makes other kingdoms hate you. So, without absolute power (or cheats), are your ai vassals able to just randomly take their armies and conquer random territory? Or has paradox stopped that?

[AC Denton]

Not really. If they do it's rare and probably need to be in a really good position to do so.
Mostly they fight amongst themselves. They expand through inheriting.
I can't think of a significant time my vassal has went to war, if ever honestly.

[TheShmeckler]

If you have high enough crown authority vassals are unable to declare war without a hook on you

[garthurbrown]

Yes, your vassals will expand their territory outside your borders, especially if you start as tribal. Later in the game you can raise your crown authority so they that they cannot start wars (unless they have a book on you).

[Cubiz]

This is one thing that's so annoying.
I want to form my own borders but the AI vassals think it's cool to destroy those THICC curves I made :(
Always a demotivator when I play this game

[N*rd]

Originally posted by TheShmeckler:

If you have high enough crown authority vassals are unable to declare war without a hook on you

Just internal wars.

[teron]

Thing being you are not an absolute ruler, since that was later in European history. E.g. later in the time frame that EU4 covers.

Best you can do as feudal or clan is Crown authority 3 which stops inter vassal wars, or level 4 which stops wars. But this only applies to your direct vassals, so their vassals can still start stuff.

Alternatively, keep the vassals at the boarder regions weaker, since they are less likely to start stuff unless they have strong allies.

[dwarfpcfan]

Also crown authority 4 imposes a -30 to opinion of vassals, and they will CONSTANTLY create liberty factions once you fire up crown authority 4 and if those factions get strong enough it's civil war.

I've found that just leaving it at crown authority 3 with proper individual vassal contracts makes for a much smoother reign in the long run.

[garthurbrown]

Originally posted by Nord:

Originally posted by TheShmeckler:

If you have high enough crown authority vassals are unable to declare war without a hook on you

Just internal wars.

That's Level 3. "Vassals cannot declare war on fellow vassals without a hook on the liege"

Level 4 "Vassals cannot declare war without a hook on the liege"

[Jeremydavvvvv]

Am I alone in liking when my vassals take land? Creates interesting situations

[garthurbrown]

Originally posted by Jeremydavvvvv:

Am I alone in liking when my vassals take land? Creates interesting situations

It usually helps far more than it hurts me.

[Emperor2000]

Originally posted by garthurbrown:

Originally posted by Jeremydavvvvv:

Am I alone in liking when my vassals take land? Creates interesting situations

It usually helps far more than it hurts me.

But Vassals build always stupid stuff in their realm. like more than 1 city or temple, instead of a second castle, who will increase the defense of the county.

[garthurbrown]

Originally posted by Emperor2000:

But Vassals build always stupid stuff in their realm. like more than 1 city or temple, instead of a second castle, who will increase the defense of the county.

Okay. And the alternative is an enemy AI holds those counties and builds stupid stuff. But now you get the taxes. How is that a loss?