How to deal with those 20+ years conversion time faiths?

[NorPhi]

In my game a weak Isma'ili egypt controlled most of the holy land which de jure drifted to be part of the kingdom of Egypt. I already controlled Cyrenaica and most of the north african coast, so I took eqypt with a kingdom level holy war. The African countries all converted within 5-6 years, but the Isma'ili Egypt take a minimum of 21 and constantly are on the verge of rebelling. Not enough to actually send an ultimatum but enough so I can't risk raising troops elsewhere. How do I convert them or deal with this?

Edit: great, as I wrote this, they sended their fricking demand and raised 30000 troops. Egypt as a Kingdom had 11000. The scaling in this game really is arse...

[Shogun_Potatoe]

To shorten the time make sure you have a very good bishop, and go down the theology path for the conversion bonuses and so long as you have decent men at armes you dont need to worry about the size of rebels

[NorPhi]

I had, they were just busy sieging down Marrakesh. Holy order took care of it. Just annoying because it took several generations of Bishops to deal with this recurring annoyance. Realm priest is at 18 learning and some heresies popped up and increased catholicisms fervor, now it takes 9 years. If I murder the priest I probably get a worse one. Catholicism really needs some way to get better priests.

[teron]

Originally posted by Shogun_Potatoe:

To shorten the time make sure you have a very good bishop, and go down the theology path for the conversion bonuses and so long as you have decent men at armes you dont need to worry about the size of rebels

Also since you know when and where the rebels will pop. Pre place your Man at Arms army in the place you are converting to murder the rebels as they spawn. Since their rebellion is usually spread across multiple counties.

[NorPhi]

My problem was that they dead-locked me, I was just strong enough that they couldn't make demands, only if I lost troops they were strong enough and on the other side of the continent I was called into a war.

[teron]

Originally posted by NorPhi:

My problem was that they dead-locked me, I was just strong enough that they couldn't make demands, only if I lost troops they were strong enough and on the other side of the continent I was called into a war.

If you are talking vassals in factions, then spend time swaying/bribing the strongest/easiest to your side. Then start slowly demanding conversion of them and their vassals. The Scholar tree also has the Open-Minded(reduces the different culture impact) and Apostate (gives a bonus to other faith opinion).

The idea being to lessen the number of vassals/counties that are pissed enough to rebel as you slowly work at getting them converted. This can be by having vassals of the same county faith (which makes the county happy) that you befriend or sway to keep out of factions. Then demand conversion later to flip them to your religion.

It is also a good idea to create a gap of your faith between the other faith areas, with the idea being that you split their rebelling forces if they do rebel. Since this means you can take your army and for example smash the northern rebels before they can link up with the southern rebels.

[NorPhi]

Originally posted by teron:

If you are talking vassals in factions...

Holy wars depose vassals of the wrong faith. Those are populist factions.

[Rico]

Try to split the land up between a lot of different zealous vassals of the desired faith. It goes a lot faster if you have 5 or 6 court chaplains working on a duchy than just one

[Crusader993]

Originally posted by NorPhi:

The African countries all converted within 5-6 years, but the Isma'ili Egypt take a minimum of 21 and constantly are on the verge of rebelling.

In other words: Rarely CK3 shows at least a rudimentary realism here.

That's how it should always be. Actually, it's still far too easy, because as we know from history, it was brutally difficult for the Christian crusaders to draw real success from their campaigns. A conversion of the natives was basically completely illusory. The period of conversion should not last 21 years, but better 210 years ...

[UnnamedKiller]

Cannot image any issue u face it’s a problem. Peasant revoke raise an army and eliminate 1 by 1.

2. Make ally with big empire call them for defender war they help u clean up the mess easily.

3. Grant some of them independent to reduce it.

4. Not sure about conversation. Some have adaptive tenent which make conversion slow by 30%.

Base on what I have test if u have councilor learning is 40-50 it’s should be 5-6 years.


Scale accordingly if 10 learning it should be 20 years.

So if it’s a vassal land don’t convert just assign to another king in your empire. Let the king help u manage the vassal opinion.

If it’s peasant revolt it can be squash easily.

[CrUsHeR]

1. Egyptian Culture has the Strong Believers tradition (+30% conversion resistance)

2. Ismaili has the Taqiya tenet (another +30% conversion resistance)

3. Coptic has the Communal Identity tenet (-50% conversion speed for different culture rulers)

[NorPhi]

Originally posted by CrUsHeR:

1. Egyptian Culture has the Strong Believers tradition (+30% conversion resistance)

2. Ismaili has the Taqiya tenet (another +30% conversion resistance)

3. Coptic has the Communal Identity tenet (-50% conversion speed for different culture rulers)

Correct. Don't forget catholicisms general low fervor. That's why I asked how to deal with them.

[UnnamedKiller]

tbh i dont know what with is ur issue.

https://ibb.co/r06h3Pg

i dont have conversion issue with different religion.

or should i say i dont care about these conversion. everything i leave it to AI to handle it.

[NorPhi]

Originally posted by UnnamedKiller:

tbh i dont know what with is ur issue.
https://ibb.co/r06h3Pg

i dont have conversion issue with different religion.

or should i say i dont care about these conversion. everything i leave it to AI to handle it.

Different religion.
Also different underlying issue.
Also I want to keep Cairo for myself.

Yes, the AI will eventually convert if they don't adopt the local religion but that wasn't my problem. You really should read more than just the title of a thread. lol

[UnnamedKiller]

Originally posted by NorPhi:

Originally posted by UnnamedKiller:

tbh i dont know what with is ur issue.
https://ibb.co/r06h3Pg

i dont have conversion issue with different religion.

or should i say i dont care about these conversion. everything i leave it to AI to handle it.

Different religion.
Also different underlying issue.
Also I want to keep Cairo for myself.

Yes, the AI will eventually convert if they don't adopt the local religion but that wasn't my problem. You really should read more than just the title of a thread. lol

my previous post already state how to deal wit them.
u can always revoke title and take back cario.
therefore i not sure what the issue. just assign it to a vassal to convert and revoke to take back.

if there a title u want always use revoke.

i am playing the game using the game mechanism to handle all scenario. therefore i not sure y u dont wan to make use of the game mechanism to handle it. well its your gameplay your choice. i just provide u the methodologies feel free to do whatever u want.