too many vassals

[Tace]

when ive won a holy war for kingdom i have to give lots of holdings away. i give to either local or my culture nobles... which means they become my vassals... which means i have to give them away one by one to my lesser powerful vassals. this takes ages! is there a faster way?

[Supernovas]

If you give your land by duchy borders or the de jure borders of the title you want your vassal to have you will only need to grant the land to one person and your new vassal will deal with it themself.

[Tace]

ive read through your message a few times but i dont understand what you mean. i my last war i gave lowborns / nobles duchy titles instead of county titles... and that was good because i got rid of counties faster and had less vassals to get rid of. but when id finished that i noticed i still had 13 duchy titles. i dont understand this as id already given the duchies away. please can you explain what you mean but word it as though youre talking to a 5 year old?! haha

[Tace]

ahh... do you mean i should give the duchies to more powerful vassals who can take vassals themselves? rather than giving the duchies to lowborns / nobles?

[Kimlin]

So if I understand what you’re saying correctly, you won a lot of land through a holy war and you need to push it into to other people.

When you give it away you select the duchy and all of the counties associated with the duchy which provides a cleaner easier transfer of titles.

You did this but for some reason you still have the duchy titles.

This is your issue right?

If that’s the case I’m inclined to think you didn’t include the Duchy title with the counties. It all has to be selected and highlighted when you give it away.

[Tace]

yes that is correct. i assumed the duchies would have been selected along with the counties.

[Kimlin]

Originally posted by Tace:

yes that is correct. i assumed the duchies would have been selected along with the counties.

Unfortunately no. You have to make sure they are included.

[Tace]

right ok. thank you. i suppose i could give the duchies to higher power vassals to save having to grant the new vassals... but i want to avoid making them more powerful.

[Kimlin]

The faster way is to give the duchies to the kings over the land and they will make sure they go to the correct people. I believe that’s what Supernovas was saying.

[T1000]

Yeah, you have to select the duchy title itself to grant it, not grant all the county titles within. Anyone you grant a title to will become your vassal regardless of noble or lowborn, unless that title is of the same rank as your highest title.

You can grant titles to anyone; except to potential heirs if they're not currently expected to receive that title through succession. I prefer granting to my dynasty for family gain, or high prowess to gain another knight. Another thing is to grant to people with traits that have + opinion towards their liege, such as the humble trait. Granting titles to people of your same culture will avoid the opinion malus towards you for being of different cultures. I generally prefer my vassals to be of my culture and then I'll help deal with population uprisings if they occur since the pops will have a malus towards the title holder for being of a different culture than them.

I don't grant titles to my current vassals unless the title is de jour owned by them; such as if they own kingdom of France, I'd grant newly acquired Normandy duchy to that person. The opinion penalty for owning titles de jour of one of your vassals is to be avoided.

[Emperor2000]

Originally posted by Kimlin:

The faster way is to give the duchies to the kings over the land and they will make sure they go to the correct people. I believe that’s what Supernovas was saying.

No, the AI currently is really stupid by granting titles, they give it to random nobodies(who they would not marry, because of lowborn penalty) instead of their own dynasty member to make their dynasty stronger.

[Kimlin]

Originally posted by Emperor2000:

Originally posted by Kimlin:

The faster way is to give the duchies to the kings over the land and they will make sure they go to the correct people. I believe that’s what Supernovas was saying.

No, the AI currently is really stupid by granting titles, they give it to random nobodies(who they would not marry, because of lowborn penalty) instead of their own dynasty member to make their dynasty stronger.

I don’t micro manage my vassals and I am not certain what they do with lower titles but from what I’ve seen if a vassal owns the majority of counties in a duchy and the liege has the duchy title, the liege will give the duchy title to that vassal. I believe that’s the resolution Tace is looking for.