Board game (Tabula)

[Gigi Daša]

I have tried (save scummed) a board game, Tabula. First 3 turns, i was always in lead, but i always lost in last, 4th turn. I reloaded my save, challenged same character, and have chosen again same first 3 choices, which put me into a lead before last turn. Reloaded 3 times, tried all the different choices in last turn, always lost.

How?

[Rex is back, baby!]

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I have tried (save scummed) a board game, Tabula. First 3 turns, i was always in lead, but i always lost in last, 4th turn. I reloaded my save, challenged same character, and have chosen again same first 3 choices, which put me into a lead before last turn. Reloaded 3 times, tried all the different choices in last turn, always lost.

How?

Is this from a mod? I do not believe I've ever seen "tabula" in CK3.

I know with Chess, It's stat vs stat, and counter vs counter, basically Rock Papper Scissors.

So even if you have high intrigue, going intrigue choice is not always the best option.
Look at the first paragraph and it tells you narratively what your opponent might do.

Martial is countered by Intrigue, Intrigue is countered Learning, Learning is countered by Martial.

It's basically rock-paper-scissors.

[Gigi Daša]

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İlk olarak Gigi Daša tarafından gönderildi:

I have tried (save scummed) a board game, Tabula. First 3 turns, i was always in lead, but i always lost in last, 4th turn. I reloaded my save, challenged same character, and have chosen again same first 3 choices, which put me into a lead before last turn. Reloaded 3 times, tried all the different choices in last turn, always lost.

How?

Is this from a mod? I do not believe I've ever seen "tabula" in CK3.

I know with Chess, It's stat vs stat, and counter vs counter, basically Rock Papper Scissors.

So even if you have high intrigue, going intrigue choice is not always the best option.
Look at the first paragraph and it tells you narratively what your opponent might do.

Martial is countered by Intrigue, Intrigue is countered Learning, Learning is countered by Martial.

It's basically rock-paper-scissors.

No, it is not a mod. Games says "tabula", but it is the same mechanic as you described (about stats).
However, all my reloads, my first 3 choices were same, and i was always winning before the last round. Then whatever i picked, i lost. :)

[Rex is back, baby!]

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İlk olarak Estus Rex tarafından gönderildi:

Is this from a mod? I do not believe I've ever seen "tabula" in CK3.

I know with Chess, It's stat vs stat, and counter vs counter, basically Rock Papper Scissors.

So even if you have high intrigue, going intrigue choice is not always the best option.
Look at the first paragraph and it tells you narratively what your opponent might do.

Martial is countered by Intrigue, Intrigue is countered Learning, Learning is countered by Martial.

It's basically rock-paper-scissors.

No, it is not a mod. Games says "tabula", but it is the same mechanic as you described (about stats).
However, all my reloads, my first 3 choices were same, and i was always winning before the last round. Then whatever i picked, i lost. :)

Huh, are you in debug mode?
Maybe there is a predetermined roll that happened before your save which is near impossible to beat with the rolls you did?

[vortex_13]

CK3 rolls all the dice ahead of time so you can't save scum. In other words, if you do the same thing on the same day you'll get the same result no matter how many times you try.

[Xelian]

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CK3 rolls all the dice ahead of time so you can't save scum. In other words, if you do the same thing on the same day you'll get the same result no matter how many times you try.

That's not true. The dices are rolled when you trigger the event. But if you load a previous save before the trigger they are rolled again.
For example in the case with the game if you initiate it you can save, initiate the game and if you lose, you may load wait a day and the rolls should be new

[vortex_13]

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İlk olarak vortex_13 tarafından gönderildi:

CK3 rolls all the dice ahead of time so you can't save scum. In other words, if you do the same thing on the same day you'll get the same result no matter how many times you try.

That's not true. The dices are rolled when you trigger the event. But if you load a previous save before the trigger they are rolled again.
For example in the case with the game if you initiate it you can save, initiate the game and if you lose, you may load wait a day and the rolls should be new

That's not how CK3 works. It has a list of seeded numbers for everything. Unless you change something you will get the same result.

[ShepherdOfCats]

I think the way these board games work is if:

intrigue being countered by learning for example, higher intrigue won't necessarily always beat low learning. If your opponent pulls off a miracle and somehow beats you even though their counter skill is worse, they get a much higher win score. It's funny, you can play against children sometimes and their skills will usually be much lower than yours (because they're just children) and they'll pull off an upset-victory. So there has to be much more to it than 'higher beats lower', which if that were always guaranteed, the game would be too predictable.

Ahh steam forums, who resurrected this?

[Gigi Daša]

Ohh, thank you guys, appreciate your comments. I totally forgot I have CK3 in my lib :) :)

[therealjohnconnor]

Oh, necro thread, but I had exactly the same problem with fidchell. save scummed to win 1st three rounds ('you foil' each time and 'close to winning' by 3rd round), then tried all three options for the last round and always lost. BTW, in all three categories, my PC had higher stats than the NPC, so doubt it's that either. Looks to me like they're predetermined to win however optimal your choices.