This Game has a lot of non sense in it

[sfbistimg]

I make my own ruler, control him the entire time. Yet somehow I still Impregnate my daughter even tho I never seduced her or was seduced by her. Why the blue hell would they implement this non sense into an otherwise great game.
It's one thing If I choose to do this, but for the game to just RNG your character to hook up with your daughter is so dumb.
They also do this with homosexual soulmates also where they just randomly decide to make your character bang a dude. Even though you controlled the character his entire life.

[AmesNFire]

Originally posted by sfbistimg:

Originally posted by AmesNFire:

I'm just telling you the answer to your question.

Either you (the player) did it or the AI did it before you got to play that character.

And I'm telling you I made the character and always played him (never not played him) And I most definitely never accepted a Seduction Event. None of this is debatable as I have nothing to gain from making this up. You keep telling me otherwise is not gonna change the fact that I didn't seduce my daughter nor accept a seduction event from her.
But you do you and Keep calling me a liar.
Have a good Day

Because it's not in the vanilla game's ability to do so. You can accept reality or not, but what I've told you is how it works.

Just like in real life, there is no 'accidental' intercourse. This isn't some cheesy p0rn video where somebody can somehow impregnate another person without even knowing they did it.

[CrUsHeR]

OP is lying or using mods.

There was a lot of (unintended) incest in the vanilla game. Like every feast had 2 close family members becoming lovers. You also could take close family as concubines for quite a while longer.

This was all 100% removed with hard blocks for all close family (except for unrestricted marriage faiths).

There is only 1 event left to make this happen:

/events/relations_events/lover_events.txt

#lover.7005 - Gain potential lover relation with close family

This event is so rare, i only saw this once in over a thousand hours of playtime. And if you have seen the event, you'd know which one it is.


Besides that, you can only seduce close family with the relevant intrigue perk. Even if it says "100% chance" for romancing, the AI will always instantly refuse and the seduction attempts will critically fail on first occasion.

[sfbistimg]

yes of course I'm lying you caught me. I thought I would become rich and famous by lying and making this post. So sick and tired of you trash calling me a liar (and anyone who ever seen me post knows I use mods, but none that have anything to do with Incest, Adultery, Seducing or anything at all to do with ♥♥♥♥ like this)

Next you are going to tell me that Heterosexual Heirs don't constantly end up with homosexual lovers and sodimite trait...oh wait they do all the time (which means the game is ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ lying about him being Heterosexual or it's not working as intended)

[magritte]

Could it happen from the #lover.7005 event firing for the daughter or is it an event that can only happen to the player-controlled characters?

[CrUsHeR]

Originally posted by magritte:

Could it happen from the #lover.7005 event firing for the daughter or is it an event that can only happen to the player-controlled characters?

I'm not a coder, can't say for sure. I don't understand this part

immediate = {
		save_scope_as = proposing_family
		random_close_or_extended_family_member = {
			limit = {
				lover_7005_family_to_potential_lover = yes
			}
			save_scope_as = potential_lover
			if = {
				limit = { root = { is_ai = no }	}
				assign_quirk_effect = yes
			}
		}

What does that mean with the limit = root = is_ai = no ? What is the "quirk effect"?



Anyways, if this also rolls for the AI as initiator, you would get the event and you can definitely say no. This is also described in the author comment further down in the script.


If it is the other way round, with the player noticing something about their relative, the player always gets to choose, and the AI target cannot refuse if the players wants to proceed.


Things like random daughter pregnancy, or AI seducing against their sexual orientation does simply not work in an unmodded game.

[DinoMight]

Originally posted by CrUsHeR:

There is only 1 event left to make this happen:

/events/relations_events/lover_events.txt

#lover.7005 - Gain potential lover relation with close family

This event is so rare, i only saw this once in over a thousand hours of playtime. And if you have seen the event, you'd know which one it is.

i have seen this event, and i agree with you, but i would not say its rare, it happened in a lot of runs i played, by at least 1 ruler per play (so not for every played member of the line)

and i didnt play THAT long to say its rare, ive seen it enough times in my playthroughs


on the side note, me too am sorta sick and tired of all this insistence on incest in the game, i thought it was just a meme based on a thing you can do, or rather a rare event as it so happens for the OP, but no

game community kinda relies heavily on the incest and incest humor like "look incest haha funny" and actual PR of the games is also in part based upon incest, its not "just a meme"

the issue im having is that its hurting the quality of the game, and the parts of the game that need actual focus dont get it because of it

to me it seems that the devs value memes more than actual history, which is kinda weird, and not only that, a lot of people are happy with that path
but if that is the case, why just not say this is fantasy game where you also get to paint the map?

[CrUsHeR]

Originally posted by DinoMight:

Originally posted by CrUsHeR:

There is only 1 event left to make this happen:

/events/relations_events/lover_events.txt

#lover.7005 - Gain potential lover relation with close family

This event is so rare, i only saw this once in over a thousand hours of playtime. And if you have seen the event, you'd know which one it is.

i have seen this event, and i agree with you, but i would not say its rare, it happened in a lot of runs i played, by at least 1 ruler per play (so not for every played member of the line)

and i didnt play THAT long to say its rare, ive seen it enough times in my playthroughs

Do you play as vassal frequently? It is much more likely if not in the same court, but sharing the same top liege. The other basic requirement is not having any lovers, so if you always seduce/romance your wife, you'll probably never see it.


Besides that, show me just 1 other event which still allows even the "budding romance" modifier with close relatives.

These were all fixed by now, it only works through seduction with the Subtle Desire perk (which is restricted to landed characters due to lifestyle XP requirements)

[Ashling]

Originally posted by CrUsHeR:

What does that mean with the limit = root = is_ai = no ? What is the "quirk effect"

The code is looking for (limit) the character who's the target of the event (root) to see if they're ai (is_ai), if they are not ai then the game asks what traits they have like shy/arrogant/etc, (quirk effect) for further use in the event.
Edit: Those tags can do other things, but I’m pretty sure this is what they’re doing here.

In any case, you can still decline the lover 7005 event.

Originally posted by sfbistimg:

yes of course I'm lying you caught me. I thought I would become rich and famous by lying and making this post. So sick and tired of you trash calling me a liar (and anyone who ever seen me post knows I use mods, but none that have anything to do with Incest, Adultery, Seducing or anything at all to do with ♥♥♥♥ like this)

Next you are going to tell me that Heterosexual Heirs don't constantly end up with homosexual lovers and sodimite trait...oh wait they do all the time (which means the game is ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ lying about him being Heterosexual or it's not working as intended)

It's not that we don't believe you, it's that we think one of us doesn't have the full context (and I definitely don't because I still don't know what's going on).

As for sodomy, a straight man can seduce a gay man, but they can never fall in love :( (so the gay man can be seduced by the straights but not romanced). This is probably based off of the real life where humans hook up for things other than love.

[AmesNFire]

Originally posted by sfbistimg:

anyone who ever seen me post knows I use mods

Ah, we're making progress now.

What mods?

[The Former]

Originally posted by DinoMight:

yea there is a lot of nonsense
which is why its funny to me when people say this is rpg game, but there is literally immersion breaking thing behind every corner

I have never once had a character I was playing bang his daughter out of the blue. In fact in my ~200 hours with the game, I only remember two cases of incest from anyone. "Behind every corner" is a bit much.

[Сааребас]

Originally posted by Lockfågel, the Paradox Knight:

Originally posted by DinoMight:

yea there is a lot of nonsense
which is why its funny to me when people say this is rpg game, but there is literally immersion breaking thing behind every corner

I have never once had a character I was playing bang his daughter out of the blue. In fact in my ~200 hours with the game, I only remember two cases of incest from anyone. "Behind every corner" is a bit much.

However, the game does over-represent cheating, incest and non hetero-sexualities.

[SnuffSaid]

Originally posted by пьяница:

Originally posted by Lockfågel, the Paradox Knight:

I have never once had a character I was playing bang his daughter out of the blue. In fact in my ~200 hours with the game, I only remember two cases of incest from anyone. "Behind every corner" is a bit much.

However, the game does over-represent cheating, incest and non hetero-sexualities.

Doesn't over-represent cheating by much, genealogy estimates even in modern times as high as 1 in 5 children are the product of cuckholding, CK3 is disturbingly accurate by rarely letting you finish a legitimate line, sooner or later you're going to draw the short straw.

[Сааребас]

Originally posted by SnuffSaid:

Originally posted by пьяница:

However, the game does over-represent cheating, incest and non hetero-sexualities.

Doesn't over-represent cheating by much, genealogy estimates even in modern times as high as 1 in 5 children are the product of cuckholding, CK3 is disturbingly accurate by rarely letting you finish a legitimate line, sooner or later you're going to draw the short straw.

I am willing to believe, without source, that in modern times the percentage is quite high, since cheating is normalised.
Although I feel 20% might be on the high end.

I'm even willing to ackowledge that due to how marriage was concluded in the past, especially for the nobles, cheating did occur on a probably larxdger scale we might think.

But the rampart copulation-fest in the CK universe I atribute to limited/poorly coding.
There simply isn't too much to do for NPC's.

[CrUsHeR]

Originally posted by Triangle:

Originally posted by CrUsHeR:

What does that mean with the limit = root = is_ai = no ? What is the "quirk effect"

The code is looking for (limit) the character who's the target of the event (root) to see if they're ai (is_ai), if they are not ai then the game asks what traits they have like shy/arrogant/etc, (quirk effect) for further use in the event.
Edit: Those tags can do other things, but I’m pretty sure this is what they’re doing here.

Thanks for the explanation. So apparently this event can roll for the AI as initiator, i don't see an AI exception for the root selection?

As for sodomy, a straight man can seduce a gay man, but they can never fall in love :( (so the gay man can be seduced by the straights but not romanced). This is probably based off of the real life where humans hook up for things other than love.

Well the seduction scheme is written so that players can seduce independent from their character's orientation.

However the AI must be bi/homosexual in order to initiate seduction against the same gender. They even wrote a comment into the code to explain how/why.

And this also only works if the target has bi/homosexuality, otherwise it is blocked because <name> is not attracted to <gender>

[DinoMight]

Originally posted by пьяница:

Originally posted by Lockfågel, the Paradox Knight:

I have never once had a character I was playing bang his daughter out of the blue. In fact in my ~200 hours with the game, I only remember two cases of incest from anyone. "Behind every corner" is a bit much.

However, the game does over-represent cheating, incest and non hetero-sexualities.

it certainly does, and i think part of the problem is also the games lack of coherent AI, npcs often do very random stuff, not at all what their character traits would let you believe they would do

that in company with very limited choices atm with certain characters, and all you get is a lot of seduction and incest

to answer Crushers question
i always start as a count, because starting independent/as a king just makes the game too easy, and yea, i often end up marrying a character of opposite character traits, so they hate each other, so i cant become soulmate and seduction takes a very long time and there are other characters who need immediate swaying, but hey at least you get all those juicy stats from your spouse
i only generally seduce when i need to produce an offspring like "NOW", thats it

family interaction is also lacking atm in this game