CK3 VS. HOI4 VS. EU4 VS. Victoria 2 VS. Stellaris

[Dwolfin]

How do they compare, and how do you find out which one is your favorite?

[Ellife]

generally you find out whats you favourite by playing them :). and how do they compare, crusader kings is based on playing an individual, the rest are based on playing a nation. europa focuses on evolving through the era's, and the shift from levies to professional armies/mercs. vic 2 is focused on between french revolution and world wars, and is more ecenomic and social matters focused (the shift in social rights of the people). hoi is about a small focused time frame, production, and multi-discpline warfare (air, water, land. infantry, supplies, vehicles, trains.. all being mass produced together). stellaris.. is less scripted and more open ended, since its a game where you start from 1 planet and expand.

[Tricontinental]

CK3 is more like a RPG and allows the most unique storylines in my opinion because every ruler you control gets a different life experience. It also has so many ups and downs--you could be a mighty king with one character, fall hard as his son and lose most of his titles, and then fight/scheme/bribe your way back to the top as the next character. You can't really snowball (unless you're the fricking Byzantines I guess).

I love HoI4 for its no-nonsense approach to strategy and giving you cool alternate history opportunities through the focus trees. It's a merciless game--if you don't figure out how to fine tune your production and troop composition, use combined arms, and leverage your industry and national strengths to maximum advantage, HoI4 will hand your ass to you. One downside could be how front-loaded each game is: as most countries, you'll typically spend at least a couple years building up your industry and going down the focus trees before you get involved in a war and you might not know if you've done well enough until that stage. I'm still learning the game and had multiple instances where I spent a few years in-game until I realized my war machine was woefully inadequate.

Stellaris' exploration phase is brilliant, but I always find the end game a bit disappointing because it feels like you have to blob and conquer everyone or fight the crisis factions even as a pacifist species. That said, it's probably the Paradox game where factions are the most differentiated from each other, meaning you can try lots of different playstyles (aggressive conqueror, pacifist, hivemind, slaver, etc.)

Haven't played EU4 and Vic 2 yet, probably because I spend too much time on the above :) but want to try them as well someday!

[Dwolfin]

Publicado originalmente por Tricontinental:

CK3 is more like a RPG and allows the most unique storylines in my opinion because every ruler you control gets a different life experience. It also has so many ups and downs--you could be a mighty king with one character, fall hard as his son and lose most of his titles, and then fight/scheme/bribe your way back to the top as the next character. You can't really snowball (unless you're the fricking Byzantines I guess).

I love HoI4 for its no-nonsense approach to strategy and giving you cool alternate history opportunities through the focus trees. It's a merciless game--if you don't figure out how to fine tune your production and troop composition, use combined arms, and leverage your industry and national strengths to maximum advantage, HoI4 will hand your ass to you. One downside could be how front-loaded each game is: as most countries, you'll typically spend at least a couple years building up your industry and going down the focus trees before you get involved in a war and you might not know if you've done well enough until that stage. I'm still learning the game and had multiple instances where I spent a few years in-game until I realized my war machine was woefully inadequate.

Stellaris' exploration phase is brilliant, but I always find the end game a bit disappointing because it feels like you have to blob and conquer everyone or fight the crisis factions even as a pacifist species. That said, it's probably the Paradox game where factions are the most differentiated from each other, meaning you can try lots of different playstyles (aggressive conqueror, pacifist, hivemind, slaver, etc.)

Haven't played EU4 and Vic 2 yet, probably because I spend too much time on the above :) but want to try them as well someday!

I like HOI4 a lot but I dont understand the appeal of Stellaris yet. I find it insanely slow and boring

[Tricontinental]

Publicado originalmente por Dwolfin:

I like HOI4 a lot but I dont understand the appeal of Stellaris yet. I find it insanely slow and boring

For Stellaris, you could try starting out as Earth (it has a few more unique quests) or a generic militarist empire with no restrictions on warfare and see if you have fun taking over the galaxy by conquest. Once you've got the mechanics down, you could try some self-imposed challenges such as trying to win the game by trade/diplomacy/vassalization only or getting elected the galaxy emperor, etc. I enjoy roleplaying as an evolving civilization in a future sci-fi setting but I can also see how it might not be everyone's cup of tea. It's a Paradox game, so a lot of interesting mechanics are also behind DLC paywalls, unfortunately.

[EpirusWarriorμολὼνλαβέ]

Latest HOI4 DLCS are trash, same with EU4 on itself sucks and which latest DLCS's to be super trash geared pleasing the usual left politics/finance/ silicon valley and usual model of paradox, politics in gaming plus greed is usual line, stellaris another one.
Crappygames has entire section dedicated to paradox latest titles.

CK3 has some qualities, but still follow the same line to lesser extend. If you looking for quality stuff look on modding section and that the only saving grace skip the rest of titles.

[Dwolfin]

Publicado originalmente por EpirusWarriorμολὼνλαβέ:

Latest HOI4 DLCS are trash, same with EU4 which latest DLCS's to be also trash geared pleasing the usual left politics and usual model of paradox, politics in gaming plus greed is usual line, stellaris another one.
Crappygames has entire section dedicated to paradox latest titles.

CK3 has some qualities, but still follow the same line. If you want solid stuff look on modding section and that the only saving grace.

Left politics? Like what? A communist country getting communist options in HOI4? Please dont tell me you are that dumb. If thats not what you were talking about then what DLC for EU4 is "left politics?" because I just started getting into EU4. Also, CK3? In what way? There is nothing particularly geared in CK3. I swear if you are going to say something about homosexuality you are being also insanely dumb.

[EpirusWarriorμολὼνλαβέ]

Publicado originalmente por Dwolfin:

Publicado originalmente por EpirusWarriorμολὼνλαβέ:

Latest HOI4 DLCS are trash, same with EU4 which latest DLCS's to be also trash geared pleasing the usual left politics and usual model of paradox, politics in gaming plus greed is usual line, stellaris another one.
Crappygames has entire section dedicated to paradox latest titles.

CK3 has some qualities, but still follow the same line. If you want solid stuff look on modding section and that the only saving grace.

Left politics? Like what? A communist country getting communist options in HOI4? Please dont tell me you are that dumb. If thats not what you were talking about then what DLC for EU4 is "left politics?" because I just started getting into EU4. Also, CK3? In what way? There is nothing particularly geared in CK3. I swear if you are going to say something about homosexuality you are being also insanely dumb.

Whiteknight keyboard warrior appeared. Don't get me started because im not here for politis nor as investor.
Is called x side washing, cutting actual historical facts and putting more bias toward one version, want to portray proper history start by not keeping sides and giving history how it is, but they have to please those sectors because that where money is.

Second DLC's cut of games, giving skeletons instead of games, just usual line of recurring revenue.

[Dwolfin]

Publicado originalmente por EpirusWarriorμολὼνλαβέ:

Publicado originalmente por Dwolfin:

Left politics? Like what? A communist country getting communist options in HOI4? Please dont tell me you are that dumb. If thats not what you were talking about then what DLC for EU4 is "left politics?" because I just started getting into EU4. Also, CK3? In what way? There is nothing particularly geared in CK3. I swear if you are going to say something about homosexuality you are being also insanely dumb.

Dont get me started because im not here for politis nor as investor.
Is called washing cutting actual historical facts and putting more bias toward one version, want to portray proper history start by not keeping sides and giving history how it is, but they have to please those sectors because that where money is.
Second DLC's cut of games, just usual line of recurring revenue.

1. but what have they washed or cut out? Thats what Im asking. I dont see any examples of this. I dont understand a single thing you are saying, I see none of this, where is it?

2. Are you saying its "left politics" thats creating mass DLCs? Thats insanely bias lol.
If anything the left wing isnt necessarilly known to be capitalists lol.

[EpirusWarriorμολὼνλαβέ]

Publicado originalmente por Dwolfin:

Publicado originalmente por EpirusWarriorμολὼνλαβέ:

Dont get me started because im not here for politis nor as investor.
Is called washing cutting actual historical facts and putting more bias toward one version, want to portray proper history start by not keeping sides and giving history how it is, but they have to please those sectors because that where money is.
Second DLC's cut of games, just usual line of recurring revenue.

1. but what have they washed or cut out? Thats what Im asking. I dont see any examples of this. I dont understand a single thing you are saying, I see none of this, where is it?

2. Are you saying its "left politics" thats creating mass DLCs? Thats insanely bias lol.
If anything the left wing isnt necessarilly known to be capitalists lol.

read slower so you grasp it use your brain first before typing, second for information

https://wikiless.org/wiki/Neoliberalism?lang=en

[Dwolfin]

Publicado originalmente por EpirusWarriorμολὼνλαβέ:

Publicado originalmente por Dwolfin:

1. but what have they washed or cut out? Thats what Im asking. I dont see any examples of this. I dont understand a single thing you are saying, I see none of this, where is it?

2. Are you saying its "left politics" thats creating mass DLCs? Thats insanely bias lol.
If anything the left wing isnt necessarilly known to be capitalists lol.

read slower, second for information

https://wikiless.org/wiki/Neoliberalism?lang=en

What- read slower? second for information? I'm not an idiot, I know what neo-liberalism is, and reading slower isn't going to fix the strangely worded and unclear sentences in your paragraph. You still havent shown me anywhere this is occuring. You are just telling me that something you havent even given an example of exists and is being caused by neo-liberals

[EpirusWarriorμολὼνλαβέ]

I have explained myself, in regard to neoliberalism and how is connected:
https://www.nytimes.com/1993/01/17/magazine/the-second-coming-of-neoliberalism.html

Look on financialization
https://wikiless.org/wiki/Financialization?lang=en

Come up with "new solution" for recuring revenue to please main investors IB's vs sell a full game than we see rather a skeleton, use a good % budget on marketing..

[Dwolfin]

Publicado originalmente por EpirusWarriorμολὼνλαβέ:

I have explained myself, in regard to neoliberalism and how is connected:
https://www.nytimes.com/1993/01/17/magazine/the-second-coming-of-neoliberalism.html

Look on financialization
https://wikiless.org/wiki/Financialization?lang=en

Come up with "new solution" for recuring revenue vs sell a full game, like elden rings did.

Like Elden Ring did? What??? you gotta be ♥♥♥♥♥♥ with me
Are you drunk right now?

[EpirusWarriorμολὼνλαβέ]

Publicado originalmente por Dwolfin:

Publicado originalmente por EpirusWarriorμολὼνλαβέ:

I have explained myself, in regard to neoliberalism and how is connected:
https://www.nytimes.com/1993/01/17/magazine/the-second-coming-of-neoliberalism.html

Look on financialization
https://wikiless.org/wiki/Financialization?lang=en

Come up with "new solution" for recuring revenue vs sell a full game, like elden rings did.

Like Elden Ring did? What??? you gotta be ♥♥♥♥♥♥ with me
Are you drunk right now?

Want to see who has more positive reviews and overall sales? Or you don't believe in numbers and market/ customer reaction when a game is good.

I was editing it when you qouted, if you followed i wrote full fleshed game.

[Dwolfin]

Publicado originalmente por EpirusWarriorμολὼνλαβέ:

I have explained myself, in regard to neoliberalism and how is connected:
https://www.nytimes.com/1993/01/17/magazine/the-second-coming-of-neoliberalism.html

Look on financialization
https://wikiless.org/wiki/Financialization?lang=en

Come up with "new solution" for recurring revenue to please Commercial investors vs sell a full game than we see rather a skeleton, use a good % budget on marketing..

If you are being unironic wholly, you need to seriously take a step back. I respect left and right wing people but honestly too many people get blinded and eaten by the media. Everyone's always ready to call someone an extremist. There definitely are some, they exist. Not a single thing you have said so far though has made a single bit of sense.

[Dwolfin]

Publicado originalmente por EpirusWarriorμολὼνλαβέ:

Publicado originalmente por Dwolfin:

Like Elden Ring did? What??? you gotta be ♥♥♥♥♥♥ with me
Are you drunk right now?

Want to see who has more positive reviews and overall sales? Or you don't believe in numbers and market/ customer reaction when a game is good.

I think you are very poorly getting your point across, you have been unclear with every word you've said so far. Elden Right is a very great game. Extremely good, Im not quite sure I get what you are saying about it, above all else, still dont see where any neo liberalism is being plastered in these games.