Why press other people's claims?

[Sputnik]

I've never really understood the benefit of pressing claims held by guests or courtiers. After all, they don/t even become ungrateful vassals. What am I missing here?

[Pain]

Well they COULD become vassals. Usually after pressing their claim they have a high opinion of you, and if everything else is right you may ask them to become vassals (If the land is near you and such) Or you could get them married when they are unlanded, then press their claim, so that their children of your line inherit the land.

Overall, yeah i don't do it much eihter, but if you can't get something with a holy war or such, or are to restrained it can work.

[Ashling]

Can't you just land them yourself so that they become your vassal and then press their claim?

[Kimlin]

Originally posted by Triangle:

Can't you just land them yourself so that they become your vassal and then press their claim?

Yes, this is the way to use their claim to expand your realm

[jamie]

Yes land them a title then press claim

[Blue]

it is just a casus belli for land grab.

[Sputnik]

Thanks Triangle

[kaiyl_kariashi]

......you don't have to land them to use claiments in CK3.

EVERY claimant becomes your vassal automatically as long as their (new) title tier is lower than yours.

That was the big change to claiments in CK3 over Ck2.

In CK2 they either have to be landed, the title was de jure part of your realm (this 2nd one is only useful for taking Duchies/Kingdoms as it saves you a few wars vs normal de jure war claims), or they were a close dynasty member.

[Pennynow]

You can also use the title finder (V) to search for a title, and then on the Title screen you can see a list of characters that have a claim to that title. From there you can use that info to try and get a claimant into your realm as a way of obtaining a Casius Beli for the lands you're coveting.

[Sputnik]

Originally posted by Penny:

You can also use the title finder (V) to search for a title, and then on the Title screen you can see a list of characters that have a claim to that title. From there you can use that info to try and get a claimant into your realm as a way of obtaining a Casius Beli for the lands you're coveting.

Nice tip. Thanks

[CrUsHeR]

Don't remember which patch, but they changed it so that your courtiers always become your vassal over claims. As long as their title is a lower rank than yours.

Because it was relatively pointless to grant them a barony just for this purpose;

Reason one - you cannot grant land to women (but press their claims)
Reason two - baronies cannot be owned by count+ rank characters of a different county (in CK2 the claimant would keep it)

[JimmyTheSnake]

Roleplay.

[Atomsk]

I have to agree, pressing other people's claims seems illogical. Might as well just leave them alone then.

[Edmund Greyfox]

I'm not sure why people have trouble with this. I'm hardly an expert, but even i know that if you win their claim they become your vassal and the land is added to your empire. You just have to have a higher title then the one you're helping them claim.

For those that want to pick the ruler of every county it doesn't work, but if you don't really care who the duke of so and so is, or if they control all of their de jure counties themselves it's a quick way to get claims on places you want to grab. The only drawback is that you end up with a lot more vassals fighting with each other.

Quick example from a couple games back. I was the emperor of Alba, and married a princess of Aquitaine. She had a claim on the whole kingdom of Aquitaine, so when i pressed her claim she became both the queen and my vassal at the same time. Then, our son inherited both her and my titles. Did the same thing a generation or two later and claimed the kingdom of Italy without needing to mess around with fabricating claims or limiting myself to a county/duchy at a time.

[Martyparty]

I just got my family on the thrown of scotland. I had a guy who claimed the kingdom of Scotland. I let my daughter marry him matrilieanlally (sorry for the bad spelling) and i invaded Scotland to put him on the thrown.

You can also just grant a guest with a usefull claim a title and then press his claim he will stay your vassal then unless the title is of same lvl

[Sputnik]

Originally posted by Martyparty:

I just got my family on the thrown of scotland. I had a guy who claimed the kingdom of Scotland. I let my daughter marry him matrilieanlally (sorry for the bad spelling) and i invaded Scotland to put him on the thrown.

You can also just grant a guest with a usefull claim a title and then press his claim he will stay your vassal then unless the title is of same lvl

I think my mistake trying that move for a courtier with claims on England was that he ended up bigger than me, so didn't qualify as vassal.