How do I get renown?

[Ghostpro71]

I'm playing the Norther Lords expansion and made a custom ruler. I have 6 kids, 2 sons and 4 daughters but they're still kids.

How do I get more renown? It says i'm gaining like +0.3 but i'm -4000 total.

How can I fix this?

[Kimlin]

Marry family to rulers. Advance to a higher rank such as Duke or King. Marry your family into a position where their children will become rulers.

[Ghostpro71]

Originally posted by Kimlin:

Marry family to rulers. Advance to a higher rank such as Duke or King. Marry your family into a position where their children will become rulers.

Thank you I appreciate the help. Do you possibly know why I have so much negative renown? Is it because I have alot of children that are sitting in my realm? I'm still quite small as far as land goes as well. I assume that's it.

[CrUsHeR]

If you want to kickstart your renown, start with a middle-aged ruler with Diplomacy education and take the August tree. Save a few hundred gold and take the "Commission Epic" decision. Repeat on cooldown. Something like +75 renown is a lot if you only generate +1 per month.

Your custom ruler should get approximately 1 perk per 3 years over the age of 16, so he needs to be somewhere in the 31-35 range to start with enough perks. This will also make other perks and skills cheaper than starting with 25, and he's old enough to start making babies (and die a timely death).


For the long-term strategy, some patience is required. You could start in Norway (ideally Iceland), take Sweden and Denmark as well. Form a custom empire with these three (since the suomi lands for de jure Scandinavia are a pain to conquer and useless in later game).

Let your sons inherit duchies and kingdoms inside this realm. They can make marriages with foreign rulers, each of their daughters married off gives 80% of the renown an independent ruler would give. Becoming catholic is a massive boost for this, otherwise the marriages are limited to inside your realm.
Each Duke+ vassal will also use this new pay hommage decision per ruler cycle, giving iirc 50 or 75 renown each.


Then you can plan the installation of satellite realms of your dynasty.
Example you take over England, Scotland, Wales and Ireland. Give your secondborns a strong domain in the realms and the kingdom title. After succession, grant them independence.
Don't grant them independence BEFORE you die, because then they still stand to inherit titles inside your realm.

In theory you could also install independent Dukes everywhere, but in reality these realms are rarely able to survive. Kings with a strong domain have proven to *mostly* survive until endgame. They may successfully take other kingdoms from their brothers as claims, but thanks to partition they'll fracture again.

BTW if you formed the custom empire of the three Norse Kingdoms, there is a remaining mini-empire of Scandinavia to the east. Another easy +2 renown if you can get that later down the line in your campaign.

[Kimlin]

Originally posted by Ghostpro71:

Originally posted by Kimlin:

Marry family to rulers. Advance to a higher rank such as Duke or King. Marry your family into a position where their children will become rulers.

Thank you I appreciate the help. Do you possibly know why I have so much negative renown? Is it because I have alot of children that are sitting in my realm? I'm still quite small as far as land goes as well. I assume that's it.

Negative renown is odd. Did you disinherit a dozen or so children? I wasn’t even aware you could go negative with renown.

[Ghostpro71]

Originally posted by Kimlin:

Originally posted by Ghostpro71:

Thank you I appreciate the help. Do you possibly know why I have so much negative renown? Is it because I have alot of children that are sitting in my realm? I'm still quite small as far as land goes as well. I assume that's it.

Negative renown is odd. Did you disinherit a dozen or so children? I wasn’t even aware you could go negative with renown.

Could it be that I made a custom ruler and made him kinda strong? (lots of good traits)

[Ghostpro71]

Also thanks Crusher for the advice!

[Grunaldi]

Originally posted by Ghostpro71:

How do I get more renown?

Passive income :
- big dynasty
- dynasty members that are independent rules or married 2 them
- some artefacts
Decisions :
- Consecrate Bloodline give +1000 renown (and if you start as any unreformed religion it's "easy" to get)
- Other specific Decisions like "Elevate the kingdom of Mann" give +1500
Events :
Royal Court adds many events that give renown like:
-Vassals makes official vows (~50 ?)
-During creation of Artefacts there can be option to dedicate it to your family (~75?)
Other:
There are some new Culture Tradition that give renown for certain things like :
-Chivalry :+50 renown each time you complete a romance
-Something Ancestors : gives renown for giving titles to your dynasty

from the top of my head

[Kimlin]

Originally posted by Ghostpro71:

Originally posted by Kimlin:

Negative renown is odd. Did you disinherit a dozen or so children? I wasn’t even aware you could go negative with renown.

Could it be that I made a custom ruler and made him kinda strong? (lots of good traits)

No I constantly do that. Are you using any mods.

[Ghostpro71]

Originally posted by Kimlin:

Originally posted by Ghostpro71:

Could it be that I made a custom ruler and made him kinda strong? (lots of good traits)

No I constantly do that. Are you using any mods.

Yea I have a bunch of mods. But I looked and am not sure which one is killing my renown.

[Shogun_Potatoe]

-4k renown sounds like a mod problem

[Ghostpro71]

Originally posted by Shogun_Potatoe:

-4k renown sounds like a mod problem

Yea I disabled all the mods and problem went away. Now I just need to find out which one was causing it.

[Sputnik]

By the mid-game, marrying your daughters to foreign kings or emperors can also raise your Renown income substantially.

And if f one of your daughter's kids ascends to their throne you;ll get even more monthly renown. But just be aware that if their army if larger than yours they'll take over the position of Dynasty Head.

[Blue]

get the chivalry tradition or hybrid with france/occitan to get it , it is insane , 50 renown per succesful romance scheme

[CrUsHeR]

Originally posted by Blue:

get the chivalry tradition or hybrid with france/occitan to get it , it is insane , 50 renown per succesful romance scheme

Yeah some of the new stuff is pretty unbalanced.

I wouldn't recommend the multi-romances though, you can only have one soulmate and the former one will hate you. Chivalry also causes all culture members to start romance schemes all the time, and your wife is only safe if she is your own soulmate.


Another funny thing is Mythical Ancestors. You get between 50 and 250 renown per title granted to a house member.

So you give your han-chinese nephew a duchy with 5 counties, you instantly get 325 renown (5x50 + 75 for the duchy)

Downside is that you cannot disinherit anyone, so you'll need a faith which allows for large scale expansion to secure plenty of titles for all sons.


Someone else already pointed out the Castle Keepers tradition.
0.1 renown per castle holding also really adds up. You can reach something like 20+ renown/month very early on with a single kingdom.


Either way these solutions only work with specific cultures, or cost something like 8000 prestige and 20-30 years to establish.