This shows the BIGGEST PROBLEM in gameplay loop in CK3

[Vuyek]

This is not my channel; it is Zieley - a very good CK3 player.

In the first 7 minutes, he demonstartes that economy in CK3 is based not on your (lord's) feudal possessions but on using your spy to blackmail some random foreign country dudes and begging the pope for money.

Very, very little money is made from actually, you know, taxes.

The sums that you get for blackmail scheme are absurd; an AI lord gives 90%-ish of his money he has in total for your successful blackmail scheme.

The money in this game, the economy, is all over the place and totally out of whack.

This to me is the biggest problem in this game; the absurd economy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uqEqPT7qVKQ

[Grunaldi]

Publicado originalmente por Black_Rat:

If you dont understand how taking a very specific set of actions in order to get around the limitations the game puts in for blackmailing is cheesing then there is no helping you.

what are the limitations of the game then ? only passive income ? 1 ransom a year ? max 100g from raid per character ? if you get 2 times extra taxes from steward in a year you have 2 reload ?

and how is that different than using any other basic actions together ?

this is not using tyranny war with esteem ancestors to max out renown in 1 day
or winning wars without a fight by completing kidnapping at specific times

those are most basic of the basic actions a player can make

[Vuyek]

Publicado originalmente por Black_Rat:

If you dont understand how taking a very specific set of actions in order to get around the limitations the game puts in for blackmailing is cheesing then there is no helping you.

That's the thing.

The game does not put limitations on mass ransom mechanic spam.

Hence my topic.

[Makeithappen]

Publicado originalmente por jerrypocalypse:

Abusing the Golden Obligations perk is extremely gaming, and can be incredibly unbalanced. The tax economy seems to work fine in my opinion when you actually focus income. I make tons in taxes in my current game. The trick is not going crazy with spending, you're not really intended to be able to do everything in a couple generations.

This. I remember playing as ireland and investing in buildings and settlements within my capital with my first lord. By the time he died and past on to his heir I was making quite a bit of money. Army upkeep and other things take time and I wasn't overly aggressive with it.

I did other things to get other territories under my banner. Its been awhile since I played, but I remember making bank pretty early going for a steward lifestyle

[Vuyek]

"Abusing the Golden Obligations perk is extremely gaming, and can be incredibly unbalanced."

Game mechanic. VALID game mechanic.
Using is it abusing and gaming?

[jerrypocalypse]

Publicado originalmente por Vuyek:

"Abusing the Golden Obligations perk is extremely gaming, and can be incredibly unbalanced."

Game mechanic. VALID game mechanic.
Using is it abusing and gaming?

You're twisting my words. I never said simply using it is abusing it. Nor did I say it wasn't a valid game mechanic. Stop trying to pick a fight where there is none.

[Vuyek]

"Abusing the Golden Obligations perk is extremely gaming, and can be incredibly unbalanced."

"I never said simply using it is abusing it. Nor did I say it wasn't a valid game mechanic."

So what is "simply using it" versus what is "abusing it"?

[jerrypocalypse]

Publicado originalmente por Vuyek:

"Abusing the Golden Obligations perk is extremely gaming, and can be incredibly unbalanced."

"I never said simply using it is abusing it. Nor did I say it wasn't a valid game mechanic."

So what is "simply using it" versus what is "abusing it"?

Again, I'm not looking for an argument. Please stop attempting to start one. I made a simple statement. If you don't agree, that's fine

[Vuyek]

So what is "simply using it" versus what is "abusing it"?

Please define abuse versus "simple use".
Be specific.

[jerrypocalypse]

Publicado originalmente por Vuyek:

So what is "simply using it" versus what is "abusing it"?

Please define abuse versus "simple use".
Be specific.

I refuse to "discuss" with someone who already hyperbolically twisted my words. Sorry, you're on your own 🤷

[Machiavelli]

Game is too easy. Paradox needs to balance their game otherwise I'm snoring playin their game.