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Lazarus Dec 30, 2021 @ 6:37pm
How To Stop Factions Forming Upon Death
How do i stop factions every time I die as emperor. Whenever I die and my son takes over, immediately factions start forming and one after another everyone rebels until im fighting 3 different civil wars. This happens every time I did without fail. How can I stop this?
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steventirey Dec 30, 2021 @ 6:41pm 
Make them like you (bribe them, give the powerful ones council positions), as well as liking your previous ruler (part of that opinion carries over). Make sure you are stronger than them. Marry off family members to them and then make them allies. Get a strong hook on them.
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snuggleform Dec 30, 2021 @ 6:54pm 
I have a clever method, but it is not without risk:

Land your heir early on, and make him your spymaster. The reason for doing this is that spymasters get a bonus to passive dread. Dread, however, does not accumulate unless you have land, so that is why I said to land him.

You can get something like 40 passive dread for your heir if you are an emperor and he is your spymaster. When he succeeds the throne that dread will go a long way in blocking factions from forming. You can also pick that one dynasty perk that gives everyone in your dynasty +15 passive dread to make this method even more effective.
Zippo Dec 30, 2021 @ 7:16pm 
Originally posted by steventirey:
Make them like you (bribe them, give the powerful ones council positions), as well as liking your previous ruler (part of that opinion carries over). Make sure you are stronger than them. Marry off family members to them and then make them allies. Get a strong hook on them.
The only thing that I wouldn't do is giving them money. It will be way more expensive to bribe 3 or 4 instead of hosting a feast, that would buff bonus with all of them. Also, with that money they could hire mercs.
steventirey Dec 30, 2021 @ 7:20pm 
Originally posted by Zippo:
Originally posted by steventirey:
Make them like you (bribe them, give the powerful ones council positions), as well as liking your previous ruler (part of that opinion carries over). Make sure you are stronger than them. Marry off family members to them and then make them allies. Get a strong hook on them.
The only thing that I wouldn't do is giving them money. It will be way more expensive to bribe 3 or 4 instead of hosting a feast, that would buff bonus with all of them. Also, with that money they could hire mercs.

If its enough to boost their opinion to 80 or more, the money is a safe option. At that point, they will leave the faction. But something that boosts multiple peoples opinions is a better option, yeah.
lemurs2 Dec 30, 2021 @ 8:25pm 
Yeah, the number does not matter. Just had a guy form an independence faction on new heir accession with +85 relations to my new heir. Alliance, dread, these work.
Kernest Dec 31, 2021 @ 12:51am 
Originally posted by lemurs2:
Yeah, the number does not matter. Just had a guy form an independence faction on new heir accession with +85 relations to my new heir. Alliance, dread, these work.

These things are affected by their traits as well. Brave don't care about dread and I assume ambitious and maybe some other traits make them ignore relations when joining certain factions.
danceswithhorses Dec 31, 2021 @ 2:56am 
Depending on your empire/kingdom size, gifting a vassal is also a useful tool, to both the giver and receiver, so gift an unhappy duke to an unhappy king.

Cash gifts also work, but until you have 'diplomacy/diplomat/thoughtful' (which doubles effect of gift), it is slightly limited.

Dread is a great also - it scares the bejesus out of vassals and keeps them in order.

Also i like to keep some un-created duchy/kingdom titles in hand for the new heir...he can then spend some gold, create, and gift those to vassals (receiving prestige too) to make vassals happier.

Council positions for important vassals helps too...if only to stabilise the ship early in the reign.

Snuggleform's suggestion(#2) is one i hadn't heard of, and he's a fountain of knowledge, having helped me out on more than a few occasions.

'Martial/overseer/serve the crown' is the useful perk that Snuggleform is talking about to give +15 dread, i believe.

What definitely does not help is being under 16...i had that recently in my Africa playthrough...the old King lived so long, both his sons died, and i was left with an 8yo emporer...which was an agonising 8 years (no wife bonuses, no lifestyle bonuses)...but thankfully i survived using the above actions.
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Kernest Dec 31, 2021 @ 3:48am 
Originally posted by danceswithhorses:
'Martial/overseer/serve the crown' is the useful perk that Snuggleform is talking about to give +15 dread, i believe.

He's referring to the 1st Dynasty Legacy in the Guile path, which gives +15 natural dread and +20% dread gain, but that martial perk is also a great option for at the very least martial heirs.
Lazarus Dec 31, 2021 @ 6:24am 
Originally posted by snuggleform:
I have a clever method, but it is not without risk:

Land your heir early on, and make him your spymaster. The reason for doing this is that spymasters get a bonus to passive dread. Dread, however, does not accumulate unless you have land, so that is why I said to land him.

You can get something like 40 passive dread for your heir if you are an emperor and he is your spymaster. When he succeeds the throne that dread will go a long way in blocking factions from forming. You can also pick that one dynasty perk that gives everyone in your dynasty +15 passive dread to make this method even more effective.


I'm going to try this, I definitely need something that works early considering the rebellions start within a year of my death. I think this combined with the trait looks promising.
Lazarus Dec 31, 2021 @ 6:26am 
Thanks for all the advice!!! I miss in CK2 there were so many different ways to handle this issue. I used to spy on people in CK2, learn secrets and revoke a few titles before i died so my son could hand them away, but now finding secrets is a complete waste i feel.
DracoHoribilis Dec 31, 2021 @ 6:28am 
I experience this too as a troubble which is game breaking at times. But I read some good advice which I will try out. Myself I have high crown athority which always makes them annoyed. Spy master on heir and scare them , bribe, but when my king dies, the faction act like immedietly so there is no time for bribing it is like instant. NOt that the factions do that but also everyone invades me at the same time.
Lazarus Dec 31, 2021 @ 6:38am 
Originally posted by DracoHoribilis:
I experience this too as a troubble which is game breaking at times. But I read some good advice which I will try out. Myself I have high crown athority which always makes them annoyed. Spy master on heir and scare them , bribe, but when my king dies, the faction act like immedietly so there is no time for bribing it is like instant. NOt that the factions do that but also everyone invades me at the same time.

Same problem here, as soon as I die I instantly have factions forming and within the year they are sending demands. I dont have time to bribe/kill 3 different factions.
danceswithhorses Dec 31, 2021 @ 6:42am 
Originally posted by Kernest:
Originally posted by danceswithhorses:
'Martial/overseer/serve the crown' is the useful perk that Snuggleform is talking about to give +15 dread, i believe.

He's referring to the 1st Dynasty Legacy in the Guile path, which gives +15 natural dread and +20% dread gain, but that martial perk is also a great option for at the very least martial heirs.
I stand corrected :steamthumbsup:
snuggleform Dec 31, 2021 @ 10:45am 
Yea just to add some more details if you want to know more about my method

-indeed I am talking about the guile path's first dynasty passive, not a particular lifestyle. There are some lifestyle perks/passives that give passive dread but the problem is you cannot force your heir to learn any of them. He may learn them by chance since you can give him the overall tree that you want to educate him in, but you cannot count on a particular perk within that tree happening. If you want the chance of him picking up more dread, you would train him ideally in intrigue, as there is a focus there that gives +30 dread which he may use, as well as perks which you can use to capitalize and maintain dread. You could train him in martial and pray that he picks up Serve the Crown, I guess that prayer is better than nothing but you might as well just train him in intrigue and pray he picks the dread focus in intrigue IMHO.

-the reason why you want your heir to have dread before he ascends and not for example wait until he ascends then execute a bunch of prisoners is that factions are coded to form immediately when your heir ascends; i.e. the game checks his dread meter (and other relevant factors) as soon as he takes the throne, you cannot retroactively execute prisoners to stop factions from forming to begin with. This is why my method has a chance of working, because he has potentially over 50 dread when he ascends this will go a long way in blocking factions from forming.

Again make sure you land your heir early so his passive dread has time to build up, it goes slow like +0.5 baseline per month (affected by traits and other perks) until his natural dread has been reached. If he has a natural dread of 50, then it would take over 8 years to fill the bar so don't do this at the last second if you want the best effect.

And the reason why I said there is risk involved is because landing your heir itself is risky business. I do not normally like to do it, because once they have land they sometimes make stupid actions that either get themselves killed or hated by other vassals. There is no completely free lunch you have to weigh the risks and benefits.

This method works as I have used it before, but if you want to know what I do nowadays to address the rebellion problem it's simply that I use succession techniques to ensure my heir gets full domain on ascension and I have an extreme focus on making a lot of gold which my heir inherits so I let the rebellion happen and crush them with mercs and MAA. This gives me freedom to train in a lifestyle I want (rather than picking one based on dread) as well as not having to land my heir.
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