How much gold do you ACTUALLY get from Cities?

[TheBearStarer]

I know you can't directly hold them, but how much money do I actually make out of them? Should I bother investing in them? Or just wait for the mayor to build whatever he wants? Can I check the amount of tax he gives me?

[jerrypocalypse]

You can see how much they make in total by selecting the holding on the map. To see how much tax your vassal mayor actually gives you, check the vassal tab in the realm menu and find the corresponding mayor. It will show the amount of taxes under them.

[TheBearStarer]

Originally posted by jerrypocalypse:

You can see how much they make in total by selecting the holding on the map. To see how much tax your vassal mayor actually gives you, check the vassal tab in the realm menu and find the corresponding mayor. It will show the amount of taxes under them.

Somehow I have managed to completely overlook that. Thank you.

[Dumah]

Originally posted by TheBearStarer:

Should I bother investing in them? Or just wait for the mayor to build whatever he wants? Can I check the amount of tax he gives me?

- they typicaly pay 20% flat tax. IMO if your religion has theocratic clergy its better to invest in to temples and if you have lay clergy its better to invest in to cities. Unless you are playing tall personally holding additional holdings inside county is useless IMO.

[Kozmkz]

IF they are a direct city vassal of mine,
AND the city has no income buildings,
AND i am sitting on fat stacks of gold,
AND i don't have upgrades of my own to build,
THEN i hook them up with their guild building - or a tradeport if the city is coastal- to both seed them some income which i get a cut of anyway and also so they can contribute to development of the county which also boosts both our income over time.

[Totally Innocent Chatbot]

As above, it's a flat 20% of the income that the mayor makes from the city - the only things altering this percentage are a Stewardship lifestyle perk and a couple of temporary modifiers from random court events. By contrast, if you're a religion with Theocratic Clergy, the amount of income you get from temple holdings scales based on your Realm Priest/Court Chaplain's opinion of you - from 0 at negative opinion all the way up to a whopping 50% if their opinion of you is at least +50. Since the buildings that can be made in either holding type are pretty much identical, this effectively means that temples are universally superior to cities for the purposes of money making, unless for some reason your religion has Lay Clergy. This is topped off by the fact that, in some cases, if your Realm Priest/Court Chaplain is a sinner, you can go through a process of banishing him from your realm, seizing all the money he's amassed for himself in the process.

[jerrypocalypse]

Originally posted by Totally Innocent Chatbot:

This is topped off by the fact that, in some cases, if your Realm Priest/Court Chaplain is a sinner, you can go through a process of banishing him from your realm, seizing all the money he's amassed for himself in the process.

Are you talking about excommunication? I've never done that before, you get additional gold for doing that to your Bishop?

[Æthelwulf]

Never build cities, castles are always better, in every way. I refuse to play in any duchy that has a county with more than 1 city, its a complete waste of a holding slot

[lemurs2]

What? i love cities. I build, if there is nothing built so far, in each religious holding one monastery or seaport, and in each city with nothing built I build one guild or seaport.

[Dumah]

Originally posted by Æthelwulf:

Never build cities, castles are always better, in every way. I refuse to play in any duchy that has a county with more than 1 city, its a complete waste of a holding slot

- if you are playing tall, than yes. If you are constantly expanding, than no. Personally holding castles/temples is alway worse than holding whole county with some special building.

[glythe]

The only time you ever want to make castles or own temples is because you are playing Tall. In the case of playing tall with temples you want to have lay clergy.

f you look at maximum earning potential then you want to own as many different pieces of land as possible. You build the minimum number of temples and the maximum number of cities.

Originally posted by Æthelwulf:

Never build cities, castles are always better, in every way. I refuse to play in any duchy that has a county with more than 1 city, its a complete waste of a holding slot

If you are going to sit in one area for 400 years then castles are "ok" because you're going to be holding the same 7 pieces of land forever.

If you are painting the map with an empire you should never build castles. Why? Because any land you own directly uses up one of your very limited holdings. Build a castle in a county and now it costs two holdings for one piece of land. Any castle in a county beyond the first only gets three slots instead of four.

There are duchies where you can build one temple and three cities to have along with a castle. If you can have ten holdings you could own ten such duchies.

[Gorgeous_Joe]

Originally posted by Totally Innocent Chatbot:

As above, it's a flat 20% of the income that the mayor makes from the city - the only things altering this percentage are a Stewardship lifestyle perk and a couple of temporary modifiers from random court events. By contrast, if you're a religion with Theocratic Clergy, the amount of income you get from temple holdings scales based on your Realm Priest/Court Chaplain's opinion of you - from 0 at negative opinion all the way up to a whopping 50% if their opinion of you is at least +50. Since the buildings that can be made in either holding type are pretty much identical, this effectively means that temples are universally superior to cities for the purposes of money making, unless for some reason your religion has Lay Clergy. This is topped off by the fact that, in some cases, if your Realm Priest/Court Chaplain is a sinner, you can go through a process of banishing him from your realm, seizing all the money he's amassed for himself in the process.

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My Archbishop post has amassed over 12k in gold over the past couple of hundred years and I was wondering if I could get my hands on it.....just need to find some secrets then

[CrUsHeR]

Originally posted by jerrypocalypse:

Originally posted by Totally Innocent Chatbot:

This is topped off by the fact that, in some cases, if your Realm Priest/Court Chaplain is a sinner, you can go through a process of banishing him from your realm, seizing all the money he's amassed for himself in the process.

Are you talking about excommunication? I've never done that before, you get additional gold for doing that to your Bishop?

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2225555018

The only way i got this was through a vanilla event, where you get a decision window what to do with the accused person. This puts him directly into your prison, and you can immediately banish to get his gold.

This won't work with any landed rulers, since the banishment just means they abdicate and their heirs get all their wealth instead.

[jerrypocalypse]

Originally posted by CrUsHeR:

Originally posted by jerrypocalypse:

Are you talking about excommunication? I've never done that before, you get additional gold for doing that to your Bishop?

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2225555018

The only way i got this was through a vanilla event, where you get a decision window what to do with the accused person. This puts him directly into your prison, and you can immediately banish to get his gold.

This won't work with any landed rulers, since the banishment just means they abdicate and their heirs get all their wealth instead.

Huh, interesting