Northern Stories/Storytellers Guardian bonus effect

[jerrypocalypse]

Question about the Northern Stories and Storytellers traditions' bonus to guardians being "more effective." The CK3 wiki says that the guardians will teach additional skills. Does this mean that with one of these traditions, a guardian without pedagogy will increase the base skills of their wards? Has anyone noticed this effect?

[jerrypocalypse]

Okay, I've been playing around with Norse and Northern Stories. It seems it adds base skill points behind the scenes if the guardian is Norse, but you don't get a notification like you do with the pedagogy skill increases. All of the wards I've raised with a Norse mentor (mentor having the Northern Stories tradition) have come out way ahead on base skills, even lowborn/obscure house children of my unlanded courtiers.

All in all, Northern Stories and Storytellers seem like fairly decent passive traditions if you're looking for heirs and/or courtiers with decent base skills.

Now I just need to get pedagogy on my ruler to see how effective they are combined.

[Dumah]

Heh, looks like sweeds managed to shove every possible bonus in their little nazi vikings power fantasy trip.

[jerrypocalypse]

Originally posted by Dumah:

Heh, looks like sweeds managed to shove every possible bonus in their little nazi vikings power fantasy trip.

Storytellers is available to I think everyone. Northern Stories is just a modified version with the runestone stuff tacked on. But all cultures can get the mentor benefit, and some start with Storytellers

[glythe]

Northern Stories also lowers scheme secrecy by 15% so it isn't something I keep.

[jerrypocalypse]

Originally posted by glythe:

Northern Stories also lowers scheme secrecy by 15% so it isn't something I keep.

Eh, both of my first 2 rulers have been intrigue focused and I've managed okay with it. I've abducted a few inspired people already. That said, Storytellers also has the secrecy penalty. The only difference between them are the poet bonuses and the runestone affect.

[Dumah]

Originally posted by jerrypocalypse:

Storytellers is available to I think everyone. Northern Stories is just a modified version with the runestone stuff tacked on. But all cultures can get the mentor benefit, and some start with Storytellers

- northern stories is pretty much 3 traditions in 1 made only for norse. It combines refined poetry, storytellers and runestone raisers in to one tradition. This is one of many Pdx dumb nationalistic favoritism displays that haunt almost all their games.

[jerrypocalypse]

Originally posted by Dumah:

Originally posted by jerrypocalypse:

Storytellers is available to I think everyone. Northern Stories is just a modified version with the runestone stuff tacked on. But all cultures can get the mentor benefit, and some start with Storytellers

- northern stories is pretty much 3 traditions in 1 made only for norse. It combines refined poetry, storytellers and runestone raisers in to one tradition. This is one of many Pdx dumb nationalistic favoritism displays that haunt almost all their games.

Yeah, I realize that, but there are several traditions like that for other regions as well. I think most of the exclusive ones are that way, where it's either a buffed version of a normal tradition, or a combo one.

That said, it makes sense that Norse (and the other Northern Germanic cultures) have some "bonuses" because that's the whole Northern Lords DLC. The other flavor packs will almost certainly have similar cultural boosts for their respective regions.

Regardless, this whole thread is just specifically about the "guardians are more effective" boost, which is the same for both traditions, and is available to everyone. So keeping on that topic, after experimenting and finding out the base skill boosts from it, I'll most certainly be considering Storytellers as a tradition when I'm developing cultures elsewhere. It's been a great bonus to have.

[Theandal]

Any estimate how many stat points you get from having a guardian with "more effective" bonus?

[jerrypocalypse]

Originally posted by Theandal:

Any estimate how many stat points you get from having a guardian with "more effective" bonus?

I don't have hard numbers, but my observations so far with around 15 wards (a pretty even mix of my dynasty and courtier's children) has been an increase of around 5-6 base skill points spread out across the 5 skills by the time they are 16. This is just from the tradition bonus and having a guardian of that culture without using pedagogy.

It doesn't sound like much, but having both heirs and courtiers with more consistent excellent rated skills has been very helpful, particularly with council positions

[Inner Observer]

Originally posted by glythe:

Northern Stories also lowers scheme secrecy by 15% so it isn't something I keep.

From the other side, it means your court members (if of same culture) will also have lower chances succesfully plotting against you or each other.