The Problem With Artifacts

[jackstash8]

I both love and hate this game. The latest thing I hate about this game is the stupid artifact wars. Like there wasn't already enough wars between vassals in the game now they're killing each other over trinkets. My character's brother attacked and killed my character's son and heir in an artifact war over a damn spear that was worthless. It was the dumbest thing ever.

[jpinard]

引用自 shiggies713：

right click on someone that has an artifact you have a claim on and you should be able to start a scheme or depending on your religion/culture, duel for them.

Is there a way I can fabricate a claim? Right now I have none.

[jerrypocalypse]

引用自 jackstash8：

My problem with artifacts is that if you play the game through 200 years or more, all of the adults have killed each other over artifacts and only children are left to rule.

If you're not going to read what I am writing then please don't respond to my post.

That does not match my experience. I've been ruling a kingdom for the last 250 years, have tons of artifacts, given some away as gifts, and have yet to see a single war over them in my realm. On top of that, a lot of rulers in my realm, and neighboring realms live to be 60+

[Lü Bu]

The real problem is the whopping -60 relationship hit. For reference you would lose less relationship for imprisoning him and executing him without cause, losing only ~30 relations with other lords.

Its massive in the late game when trying to manage 60+ losers and a quarter of them hate me because i wont give them the book i literally just wrote for my family.
It makes no sense since I have no way to stop "claim" fabrications because my spy master isnt programmed to care and i have no way of manually seeing whos doing what. So all together youre just going to have masses of your own vassals hating you, theres nothing you can do about it besides either hand out gear like a medieval Good Humor, accept that some vassals will hate you for 6 years and play on hard mode or not partake in the artifact system.

None of those are fun options. Its at best not fun and at worst crippling for a run because as others have mentioned you can lose landed heirs if they die in an "artifact claim" war Additionally trying to get some the achievements are much harder as the AI has an added causes beli. Trying to get dynasty of kings is twice as hard now as your family's kingdoms are constantly harassed in artifact wars.

I love the artifacts - I really hate the wars for them and massive penalty for denying free hand outs.

[Machiavelli]

most unrealistic thing in this game thats for sure.

[Rialm]

Only if they have the power to bit me, I look at their demands. But in general I just don't pay attention to them. However there is one thing that annoys me. for example I'm the emperor and a a freaking count demands an artifact. Go away! I understand that they could become agents of a plot etc etc, but GO AWAY.

The other reason, I like the idea of artifacts, investing in someone that way they get you something cool. but in the end I just prefer to get the historical artifacts and maybe some unique or whatever artifacts. because there are so many and they become useless like in Diablo.

[jackstash8]

With artifacts being new I expected a few bugs. I did not expect it to completely change the way the game is played.

[Benedicter]

引用自 jpinard：

Is there a way I can fabricate a claim? Right now I have none.

The 'Accomplished Forger' perk at the Diplomat tree lets you buy artifact claims with prestige. After you have a claim you can duel/scheme/war for it.

[dbix11]

idk why you cant out right and buy an artifact from someone, sort of like the POW system.

[jpinard]

引用自 Benedicter：

引用自 jpinard：

Is there a way I can fabricate a claim? Right now I have none.

The 'Accomplished Forger' perk at the Diplomat tree lets you buy artifact claims with prestige. After you have a claim you can duel/scheme/war for it.

Wow, I've read through the perk tree a hundred times and missed it every instance.

[Theandal]

I just had the most tedious horrible game of ck3 I have had in ~300 hours of play, only because artifact claim wars.

I was a vassal and enemies fought artifact claim wars against my liege for 15+ years straight and the entire 15+ years they were on my territory stopping me from doing anything.
Close to 5x enemies compared to me and my liege and the AI was so stupid they didn't even try to win, just stood around on my territory ignoring my lieges holdings.
There was 2 artifact claim wars back to back for about 8 years each. Then to make it even worse someone else did Subjugation war against my liege and that lasted almost 10 years. All that time enemies were only on my territory and never doing anything to my liege.
After close to 30years speed5 trying to get the "hostage situation war" to end my best holdings were taken away from me and I dropped from doing 10gold/month to 0,6 per month :P

[mhkul]

My favorite is when you're fighting a normal war with an actual purpose and you take somebody's ♥♥♥♥♥♥ dagger as spoils from a battle and it causes five other people to declare artifact claim wars on you. 10/10 feature.

[dbix11]

I feel like war claims with artifacts should only be a thing if you steal it, whether through war or actually stealing it.

Its odd you can go to war over a POS artifact but not if someone kidnaps your family, councilors or court.

[Actionjackson]

引用自 jackstash8：

My problem with artifacts is that if you play the game through 200 years or more, all of the adults have killed each other over artifacts and only children are left to rule.

If you're not going to read what I am writing then please don't respond to my post.

That is quite surprising to me, cause in my last game i play from 867 to ~1100 at least(Doing the Bloodeagle achivement) and seen none of that at all.
Granted, i did not pay attention to each and every vassal conflict and what it was all about, but for sure they do not kill each other off in any way or form. In fact i did not notice anything out of the ordinary in that playthought.

And right now i play in the french area(starting as anjou), also from 867 start, and nobody is killed over artefacts, that i saw at least. I see liberty wars, mostly, and independence and holy wars(since one ruler in the area switch religion so there are many holy wars against that faction), but hardly artefacts claim wars. I dont see it at all.

So i am not sure what is happening in your game... . I mean i guess not but i ask still, do you maybe have a mod going that change some AI behaviour or something?

[VoiD]

I could understand wars for legendary artifacts but the regular crap? Like a toy wooden soldier you can gift to kids? Nah.

They could demand or challenge you to a duel, but wars should be reserved to blue+ tier artifacts.

[Benedicter]

引用自 Theandal：

I just had the most tedious horrible game of ck3 I have had in ~300 hours of play, only because artifact claim wars.

I was a vassal and enemies fought artifact claim wars against my liege for 15+ years straight and the entire 15+ years they were on my territory stopping me from doing anything.
Close to 5x enemies compared to me and my liege and the AI was so stupid they didn't even try to win, just stood around on my territory ignoring my lieges holdings.
There was 2 artifact claim wars back to back for about 8 years each. Then to make it even worse someone else did Subjugation war against my liege and that lasted almost 10 years. All that time enemies were only on my territory and never doing anything to my liege.
After close to 30years speed5 trying to get the "hostage situation war" to end my best holdings were taken away from me and I dropped from doing 10gold/month to 0,6 per month :P

Try this mod.