Is there any Point to elective succession types?

[No I think Not]

Because regardless your titles will still be partitioned, theres seems to be little benefit at all to using them over regular gavelkind. If anything its a downgrade as vassals can now highjack it and try to take over. As for the culture specific ones theyre not as bad but are just as inconvenient.

[Kimlin]

You can select your heir instead of relying on your first born.

Scandinavian elective is the best I believe. Due to the fewer electors.

[KingCobra]

its broken atm
if u have several kingdoms - just make all of them elective - so all ur title will go to 1 heir
if u have 1 empire - dont make empire elective. with elective kingdoms under non-elective empire - ur oldest son get everything(if elected for every ur kingdom title)

[Shogun_Potatoe]

Make your duchy elective as well and your heir will get tge counties in that duchy

[sbudy]

In other words, elective succession is the only way to ensure all your titles go to one heir, although it takes some work on the early game (in the late game it's almost automatic).

Originally posted by Kimlin:

Scandinavian elective is the best I believe. Due to the fewer electors.

Feudal elective is the best. No far off candidates, only close family. I know the vassals are supposed to nominate one of their own, in practice they never do. It's always close family. And there's no weird voting power law like on Scandinavian.

[sfbistimg]

Originally posted by sbudy:

In other words, elective succession is the only way to ensure all your titles go to one heir, although it takes some work on the early game (in the late game it's almost automatic).

Originally posted by Kimlin:

Scandinavian elective is the best I believe. Due to the fewer electors.

Feudal elective is the best. No far off candidates, only close family. I know the vassals are supposed to nominate one of their own, in practice they never do. It's always close family. And there's no weird voting power law like on Scandinavian.

thats not true, all my titles always go to my chosen heir and I don't use elective successions. I just control how many kids I have and if multiple sons, there are many ways to make sure you only have one heir. make one join holy order, Make one your Court Chaplain, Disinherit, if sadistic murder one, Make one a Eunuch

[sbudy]

What I've (obviously) meant was that's the only way that requires zero effort (in the late game) in order to give all your titles to one heir. While you have to start neutering and disinheriting extra sons, I just have to manage an elections screen, and I can even allow myself equal gender inheritance! So I could really choose the best available heir for my purposes with one click.

[CrUsHeR]

Originally posted by sbudy:

What I've (obviously) meant was that's the only way that requires zero effort (in the late game) in order to give all your titles to one heir. While you have to start neutering and disinheriting extra sons, I just have to manage an elections screen, and I can even allow myself equal gender inheritance! So I could really choose the best available heir for my purposes with one click.

This is simply false.

I just tested it, took all of Norway, created all duchies, attached Scandinavian Elective to all of them. Mind you with no vassals, so i'm the only elector.

Result: My chosen heir ONLY gets the kingdom and the duchy titles, but the other 10 sons still inherit random counties all across the realm. And yes including the counties in the capital duchy.

[jerrypocalypse]

Originally posted by CrUsHeR:

Originally posted by sbudy:

What I've (obviously) meant was that's the only way that requires zero effort (in the late game) in order to give all your titles to one heir. While you have to start neutering and disinheriting extra sons, I just have to manage an elections screen, and I can even allow myself equal gender inheritance! So I could really choose the best available heir for my purposes with one click.

This is simply false.

I just tested it, took all of Norway, created all duchies, attached Scandinavian Elective to all of them. Mind you with no vassals, so i'm the only elector.

Result: My chosen heir ONLY gets the kingdom and the duchy titles, but the other 10 sons still inherit random counties all across the realm. And yes including the counties in the capital duchy.

I'm not sure what you're doing exactly, but I've been able to grant all my dutchies to one person and they are the only one that gets the countues in the matching dutchy. In both my prior game and current game. No mods.

[sbudy]

Originally posted by CrUsHeR:

This is simply false.

I just tested it, took all of Norway, created all duchies, attached Scandinavian Elective to all of them. Mind you with no vassals, so i'm the only elector.

Result: My chosen heir ONLY gets the kingdom and the duchy titles, but the other 10 sons still inherit random counties all across the realm. And yes including the counties in the capital duchy.

Sorry, I never had this problem. Out of the top of my head, I can see several options (there are probably more):
1. The "random counties" are not random but those without any Duchy title above them. Those would still be divided according to confederate partition since there's no relevant election law in place.
2. You mismanaged the election. Your "I'm the single elector" comment made me suspicious of that. It's impossible for a king to hold so much land and duchies without being assassinated or having to handle with numerous revolts. Unless you're using a mod, and that's leading us to the third option...
3. You have a mod that messes up the elections. I had succession's accidents with Scandinavian elective on the past but none of them looked like that. Usually it was losing a single kingdom/empire to some old hag unlanded aunt because she's brave and honest or some such s**t.

[CrUsHeR]

There are no mods other than debug menu etc to take control of- and create the titles, add the elective laws etc.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2788155786

You probably don't recognize the county icons;

The primary heir is elected for all duchies in Norway and the Kingdom of Norway.

However, he also receives Austrland, Vestfold, Sogn and Heraldr. These alone are counties from 4 different duchies.


The next in line receives Jamtaland, Prandheimr (the realm capital), Faereyar, Vest Agdir, Alfheimar. Again titles from completely different duchies.

And it goes on like this for the other 5 sons.



The reason for this is simply that the elective title succession law does not replace the realm succession law. All your eliglible children must inherit an equal share of titles, unless you have nothing left to inherit.

Which means, if you play with elective, you still need to provide titles in the same manner as under global partition. Plus an extra title/duchy/kingdom for your primary heir.

[Black_Rat]

i use elective all the time to choose my heir without an issue. I find it FAR better then non elective options. Like not even close.

[jerrypocalypse]

I really don't know what's going on with yours, but my Scandinavian Elective has never acted like that when I have multiple sons if I have it set up properly on all the titles I'm keeping on one person.

[KingCobra]

Originally posted by CrUsHeR:

Originally posted by sbudy:

What I've (obviously) meant was that's the only way that requires zero effort (in the late game) in order to give all your titles to one heir. While you have to start neutering and disinheriting extra sons, I just have to manage an elections screen, and I can even allow myself equal gender inheritance! So I could really choose the best available heir for my purposes with one click.

This is simply false.

I just tested it, took all of Norway, created all duchies, attached Scandinavian Elective to all of them. Mind you with no vassals, so i'm the only elector.

Result: My chosen heir ONLY gets the kingdom and the duchy titles, but the other 10 sons still inherit random counties all across the realm. And yes including the counties in the capital duchy.

did u set elective to ur kingdom too? if yes - this is problem
like i said, there 2 options
1. make elective every top-tier title(u need atleast 2) = u could select anyone as ur only heir
2. make elective every title 1 level below(duchies if ur king, kingdoms if u emperor) = ur realm heir inherit everything if he is elected

[sbudy]

Crusher, like jerrypocalypse, I never ran into this problem. Not a random split of counties from different existing duchies, no. I set Scandinavian elective for all my empires, all of my kingdoms, and the two duchies I keep for my ruler at the time. All of them goes to a single heir without an issue (with the exception of last minute single election fizzle to the hag aunt I've mentioned).

[Ashling]

Doesn't a vassalized king give you more money and levies than multiple vassalized dukes in a de jure kingdom? Or am I misremembering that