Possible to change feudal county to tribal?

[jerrypocalypse]

I began as Island in 1066 and have remained tribal. I recently took the Northern Isles, and all of them are feudal holdings, so I'm unable to build anything on them (one of them has no buildings in the holding). Is there a way to change some of them back to tribal counties? They are all only castle holdings since all the islands are single holding counties.

[Wolfskrieg]

I wondered this too

[Yaldabaoth]

There might be a mod but otherwise no.

[VoiD]

I'm rusty and I could be wrong but I'm fairly certain it's possible if you have a son and primary heir, give him a tribal holding/title, grand him independence and die, letting an external realm inherit your bigger one, while keeping their own government type (tribal).

Also, I think his title needs to be at least as high as yours, IE: His independant tribal kingdom/empire inheriting your feudal kingdom.

[jerrypocalypse]

Originally posted by VoiD:

I'm rusty and I could be wrong but I'm fairly certain it's possible if you have a son and primary heir, give him a tribal holding/title, grand him independence and die, letting an external realm inherit your bigger one, while keeping their own government type (tribal).

Also, I think his title needs to be at least as high as yours, IE: His independant tribal kingdom/empire inheriting your feudal kingdom.

Wouldn't the titles just remain feudal under the tribal ruler? I mean, the counties I took are under my rank and moved to me and remained feudal even though I'm tribal. I thought maybe there was a way to trigger a decision or something, similar to moving from tribal to feudal.

Edit: I think I misread. I see what you're saying now about being the same rank as mine. I wonder if I form the Northern Isles duchy (since I'm only a Duke as well with Island), if that will trigger something since it'll be my same rank.

Originally posted by Kvinden:

I have seen this option once in the actions ( where there is a quill)
But I don't remember the conditions. So it is possible but I can't say how.

I'll keep an eye out, hopefully if there's an option something gets triggered.

[garthurbrown]

Originally posted by VoiD:

I'm rusty and I could be wrong but I'm fairly certain it's possible if you have a son and primary heir, give him a tribal holding/title, grand him independence and die, letting an external realm inherit your bigger one, while keeping their own government type (tribal).

Also, I think his title needs to be at least as high as yours, IE: His independant tribal kingdom/empire inheriting your feudal kingdom.

Huh?

[VoiD]

Originally posted by jerrypocalypse:

Originally posted by VoiD:

I'm rusty and I could be wrong but I'm fairly certain it's possible if you have a son and primary heir, give him a tribal holding/title, grand him independence and die, letting an external realm inherit your bigger one, while keeping their own government type (tribal).

Also, I think his title needs to be at least as high as yours, IE: His independant tribal kingdom/empire inheriting your feudal kingdom.

Wouldn't the titles just remain feudal under the tribal ruler? I mean, the counties I took are under my rank and moved to me and remained feudal even though I'm tribal. I thought maybe there was a way to trigger a decision or something, similar to moving from tribal to feudal.

Edit: I think I misread. I see what you're saying now about being the same rank as mine. I wonder if I form the Northern Isles duchy (since I'm only a Duke as well with Island), if that will trigger something since it'll be my same rank.

Originally posted by Kvinden:

I have seen this option once in the actions ( where there is a quill)
But I don't remember the conditions. So it is possible but I can't say how.

I'll keep an eye out, hopefully if there's an option something gets triggered.

Sorry, I missed the question and made a hasty reply, so you want to change their counties to tribal instead.

You can turn them into tribal rulers by doing the same mechanic, I think, letting their landed, independant (might work if they are both still under your rule) sons inherit their primary titles as tribal rulers, but keeping them alive long enough for this to work would be take a lot of effort.

Also, I'm not sure how it would work, if tribal rulers under a tribal king were to hold castle holdings, would they be able to feudalize on their own? I'd assume they couldn't as their liege is still tribal, but the catle holding would remain as a castle and I don't think that can change.

That being said, if there are a lot of lands up there and if you figure it's not really giving you any gold or levies and they really aren't worth keeping I'd suggest giving each and every one of those lands to a family member and giving them independence, then let them brawl over the whole region, you'd be getting a ton of splendor for your family due to the number of independant counts and dukes.

[jerrypocalypse]

Originally posted by VoiD:

Originally posted by jerrypocalypse:

Wouldn't the titles just remain feudal under the tribal ruler? I mean, the counties I took are under my rank and moved to me and remained feudal even though I'm tribal. I thought maybe there was a way to trigger a decision or something, similar to moving from tribal to feudal.

Edit: I think I misread. I see what you're saying now about being the same rank as mine. I wonder if I form the Northern Isles duchy (since I'm only a Duke as well with Island), if that will trigger something since it'll be my same rank.




I'll keep an eye out, hopefully if there's an option something gets triggered.

Sorry, I missed the question and made a hasty reply, so you want to change their counties to tribal instead.

You can turn them into tribal rulers by doing the same mechanic, I think, letting their landed, independant (might work if they are both still under your rule) sons inherit their primary titles as tribal rulers, but keeping them alive long enough for this to work would be take a lot of effort.

Also, I'm not sure how it would work, if tribal rulers under a tribal king were to hold castle holdings, would they be able to feudalize on their own? I'd assume they couldn't as their liege is still tribal, but the catle holding would remain as a castle and I don't think that can change.

That being said, if there are a lot of lands up there and if you figure it's not really giving you any gold or levies and they really aren't worth keeping I'd suggest giving each and every one of those lands to a family member and giving them independence, then let them brawl over the whole region, you'd be getting a ton of splendor for your family due to the number of independant counts and dukes.

Yeah, I'm tribal (originally only had Island) and took all 3 of the Northern Isles (all feudal per originally being part of feudal Norway), and am trying to see if I can make the Northern Isles tribal holdings so I can build on them.

I have one of the Isles to a ln unlanded Norse courtier and they became a feudal vassal under me. I'm going to recreate the Northern Isles duchy title tonight to see if that does anything with me as the holder.

I don't really want to give them up since my main reason for taking them was to expand my diplomatic range (the range from just having Island sucks) and to have a location closer to the places I raid.

[garthurbrown]

There is no way to go back, and I don't even think there's a mod that does this.

You have to give it to a new vassal who isn't already tribal, which makes him pissed at you for having the wrong gov't type.

[CrUsHeR]

No, that isn't possible.

In CK2 you could simply build a tribal holding in an empty slot, which allowed to hold the county without penalties and build your necessary tribal buildings. The original castle could be given away to anyone as a baron vassal.

In CK3 they changed it so you can hold feudal counties without penalties, you just can't build anything in them.

Obviously you'll want to become feudal ASAP because you can't really make up for the lack of the tribal building bonuses in the long run (prestige, control, knights etc)

[jerrypocalypse]

Will feudal vassals under me build on their own feudal land?

[CrUsHeR]

Originally posted by jerrypocalypse:

Will feudal vassals under me build on their own feudal land?

Yes, they also got feudal contracts even if you are tribal or clan. But they get the usual opinion penalties for you being a tribal liege, with no benefits you'd get from tribal vassals.

[jerrypocalypse]

Kind of an update on this. I gave 2 of the Isles to 2 different vassals. Opinion is fine because I befriended then. I noticed though, that even though I'm tribal, I can actually choose what feudal buildings I want them to build and pay for it myself. There just needs to be a vassal there.

[JC]

Originally posted by CrUsHeR:

No, that isn't possible.

In CK2 you could simply build a tribal holding in an empty slot, which allowed to hold the county without penalties and build your necessary tribal buildings. The original castle could be given away to anyone as a baron vassal.

In CK3 they changed it so you can hold feudal counties without penalties, you just can't build anything in them.

Obviously you'll want to become feudal ASAP because you can't really make up for the lack of the tribal building bonuses in the long run (prestige, control, knights etc)

Oh they swapped that? I didn't notice. One time i swapped all of GB to tribal. Every single place outside of a couple that only had 2 locations so i couldn't build a tribe. It took me till i think 1100's or so but it was pretty crazy as a tribal Empire of GB.