why is the AI in this game so stupid?

[Dislocated Balls]

Why do allies just stand there like a bunch of lemons meanwhile im dying right next door?

[AlienWired]

It's because you're so smart, they don't need to help, they figure you're genius enough to get out of it and win.

[Monkey89brains]

Damn man, I just had a crusade for Jerusalem. We all landed near Antioch, the AI waited to group up then we marched south, Just as the enemy doomstack hit us every AI force on my side started walking off towards India leaving me to be butchered. We lost the crusade because they spent 3 years standing around on the coast of the Gulf of Oman. Like...why though.

[zacharyb]

Originally posted by Monkey89brains:

Damn man, I just had a crusade for Jerusalem. We all landed near Antioch, the AI waited to group up then we marched south, Just as the enemy doomstack hit us every AI force on my side started walking off towards India leaving me to be butchered. We lost the crusade because they spent 3 years standing around on the coast of the Gulf of Oman. Like...why though.

They were all pacifists and thought their show of strength would stop the enemy in their tracks, when they found out that wasn't the case they ♥♥♥♥♥♥ off so they wouldn't get beat up.

[Monkey89brains]

Originally posted by zacharyb:

Originally posted by Monkey89brains:

Damn man, I just had a crusade for Jerusalem. We all landed near Antioch, the AI waited to group up then we marched south, Just as the enemy doomstack hit us every AI force on my side started walking off towards India leaving me to be butchered. We lost the crusade because they spent 3 years standing around on the coast of the Gulf of Oman. Like...why though.

They were all pacifists and thought their show of strength would stop the enemy in their tracks, when they found out that wasn't the case they ♥♥♥♥♥♥ off so they wouldn't get beat up.

Haha, hope they got some good tans at least!

[brownacs]

Originally posted by Monkey89brains:

Originally posted by zacharyb:

They were all pacifists and thought their show of strength would stop the enemy in their tracks, when they found out that wasn't the case they ♥♥♥♥♥♥ off so they wouldn't get beat up.

Haha, hope they got some good tans at least!

I actually thought about this quite a lot while I was living in Egypt. Can you imagine being anyone living in the middle east before sun screen? Let alone a bunch of Europeans. Skin cancer must've been rife.

[Nuggs]

I think when the AI attacks they simply play by their own rules and dont care to help you at all. That simply seems to be the case in most stellaris grand strategy games and most other strategy games as well just in general.

Its probably difficult to program the AI to be able to notice you need help somewhere let alone in what ways. The only time the AI will help you directly is if they join your war. Their units wil follow your largest stack around wherever it goes. But if its you in their wars or if you just simply happen to be at war with someone they are also at war with, they will go around and do whatever.

Its the same again in other strategy games even outside of paradox games. For example, most total war games are like this in the campaign modes. You'll be allied to someone or whatever, you get decalred war on by a larger nation thats running you through with their much stronger units. So you decide "hey ill call in egypt to help me" and then egypt jains your war only to never actually do anything, like at all, or come help in the defense of your cities being sieged. Again i think that just probably comes down to difficulty in programming the AI. Just my guess though. But i agree its fairly annoying.

[The Former]

Be honest. Like be really honest for a minute. How much do you risk to help your allies when you're called into action? Be honest now!

[AlienWired]

The AI plays like Putin.

It is not here to be friends with you, or wash your back when you take a shower. It won't even give you a reach around..... But, it will expect one back. ;)

[starslayer78]

This AI is completely stupid. Despite outnumbering my allies, I lose my wars because the AI just does nothing. The AI just stands in an area and does nothing.

The game desperately needs an AI patch.

[AlienWired]

Originally posted by starslayer78:

This AI is completely stupid. Despite outnumbering my allies, I lose my wars because the AI just does nothing. The AI just stands in an area and does nothing.

The game desperately needs an AI patch.

No, the AI is doing something....

It's waving from afar... The AI will not enter wars that it does not see as a strategic need and it will not help you win wars that will make you stronger than the AI. Why would the AI help you defeat itself?

As I said. The AI plays like Putin.

It won't wash your back, it won't give you a reach around but it will expect one back.

[The Former]

Originally posted by AlienWired:

Originally posted by starslayer78:

This AI is completely stupid. Despite outnumbering my allies, I lose my wars because the AI just does nothing. The AI just stands in an area and does nothing.

The game desperately needs an AI patch.

No, the AI is doing something....

It's waving from afar... The AI will not enter wars that it does not see as a strategic need and it will not help you win wars that will make you stronger than the AI. Why would the AI help you defeat itself?

As I said. The AI plays like Putin.

It won't wash your back, it won't give you a reach around but it will expect one back.

Or Sun Tzu or Zhang Yingyu. Very much "watching fires burn from across the river" from where I'm standing.

[jamie.santavy]

What I always found frustrating was how well enemy armies seem to cooperate when allied. As long as I have a chance of winning a battle allies seem pretty keen to join the fight though

[Johnny]

Originally posted by AlienWired:

Originally posted by starslayer78:

This AI is completely stupid. Despite outnumbering my allies, I lose my wars because the AI just does nothing. The AI just stands in an area and does nothing.

The game desperately needs an AI patch.

No, the AI is doing something....

It's waving from afar... The AI will not enter wars that it does not see as a strategic need and it will not help you win wars that will make you stronger than the AI. Why would the AI help you defeat itself?

As I said. The AI plays like Putin.

It won't wash your back, it won't give you a reach around but it will expect one back.

Thats a stupid analogy.

If you really think the AI doesnt do anything to defeat the player go ahead but that would mean its a faulty design by choice. AI teaming up against you while not doing anything to help you would be extremely unfair design choice and its extremely artificial difficulty spike. Why even play a game that changes its rules on a whim.

"Oh im at war with the player? Lets create a doomstack with my allies!"

"Oh the player called me to his war and we outnumber the enemy if we stack? Lemme run away from every battle and let the player pluck out his hair!"

Yea sure.

The AI just needs some patches right now its extremely infuriating when every crusade just outright fails because:

1. The pope decides there is not enough contributors even tho crusaders outnumber the muslims
   
2. Crusaders dont make doomstacks while the muslims do
   
3. The crusade fails outright because nobody joins except the player since the fervor is so low from all the heresies that the AI creates for no reason

[MarkFranz]

Originally posted by elch:

Why do allies just stand there like a bunch of lemons meanwhile im dying right next door?

Don't ever rely on AI in CK3, AI "allies" is just are bait, what almost never gonna actually help you.

[Melkolf]

Why is the AI so stupid in this game? Because the devs programmed it that way and are more interested in fripperies and nonsense than getting it sorted.