Why in gods name do I lose half of my kingdom when my father dies to my brothers?

[Desert_Dweller]

This happens without warning. I know I should create a duchy title or whatever, but losing half my kingdom for having a bit of land outside my Je Jure kingdom is absurd.

[Someguyinhere]

It's your inheritance law. And frankly, it's part of the fun of the game. 1) It strengthens your dynasty and increases the amount of dynastic prestige you generate, and 2) it's not that hard to take land back from them.

So, now that you know it's a positive and not a negative, check your inheritance laws. The default rule you start with typically splits your land fairly between your valid heirs. You always maintain control of your primary title, however.

Late game you can unlock good ol Primo and have one son inherit everything. In the mean time, reap the rewards of a powerful dynasty by getting points and unlocking powerful dynastic perks.

[meraco]

The Succession law you want is Primogeniture.

This law states that when your father dies the eldest Son will inherit everything. If no Son is present then the eldest Daughter gets it all.

In the vanilla game, it takes time to get this to unlock in the early years.

However, there is a mod that helps with this. and judging by your post, you would rather hang on to all the daddy titles when he passes on..

So try this.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2218549875

note: keep in mind that this will shut off iron man and achievements..

[Desert_Dweller]

Originally posted by Someguyinhere:

It's your inheritance law. And frankly, it's part of the fun of the game. 1) It strengthens your dynasty and increases the amount of dynastic prestige you generate, and 2) it's not that hard to take land back from them.

So, now that you know it's a positive and not a negative, check your inheritance laws. The default rule you start with typically splits your land fairly between your valid heirs. You always maintain control of your primary title, however.

Late game you can unlock good ol Primo and have one son inherit everything. In the mean time, reap the rewards of a powerful dynasty by getting points and unlocking powerful dynastic perks.

Thank you very much
I really needed it.

[Desert_Dweller]

Originally posted by meraco:

The Succession law you want is Primogeniture.

This law states that when your father dies the eldest Son will inherit everything. If no Son is present then the eldest Daughter gets it all.

In the vanilla game, it takes time to get this to unlock in the early years.

However, there is a mod that helps with this. and judging by your post, you would rather hang on to all the daddy titles when he passes on..

So try this.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2218549875

note: keep in mind that this will shut off iron man and achievements..

Honestly will make me have a lot of achievments.
Thank you very much

[Barandur]

There are many ways to deal with the partition succession law.

You can manually disinherit heirs so they don't get any titles. If you just have a single heir the law doesn't matter and that heir gets everything.

Your heir will always get the primary title and capital holding. Take a look at all the titles your current ruler holds. Titles belong to different levels. You can have Duchy, Kingdom and Empire titles. If your highest title stands on its own you will not lose parts of your realm on succession.
So if you have 1 Kingdom title but 4 Duchy titles, your primary heir will get that Kingdom title+Capital holding. Your other heirs will get the Duchy titles and since these titles are of lower rank they will become your vassals and still be part of your realm.
If you have multiple Kingdom titles in this case, your realm will fracture since a vassal's primary title can't be as "high" as your own primary title.
In an extreme example your ruler could hold 1 Empire tilte and 40 Kingdom titles while having 12 heirs. On succession your realm will stay together and your 11 other heirs turn into vassals of your primary heir.

Another option is to simply murder the other heirs or declare war on them after succession happened. You immediately get claims on all the titles they hold.

[Someguyinhere]

Originally posted by Barandur:

There are many ways to deal with the partition succession law.

You can manually disinherit heirs so they don't get any titles. If you just have a single heir the law doesn't matter and that heir gets everything.

Your heir will always get the primary title and capital holding. Take a look at all the titles your current ruler holds. Titles belong to different levels. You can have Duchy, Kingdom and Empire titles. If your highest title stands on its own you will not lose parts of your realm on succession.
So if you have 1 Kingdom title but 4 Duchy titles, your primary heir will get that Kingdom title+Capital holding. Your other heirs will get the Duchy titles and since these titles are of lower rank they will become your vassals and still be part of your realm.
If you have multiple Kingdom titles in this case, your realm will fracture since a vassal's primary title can't be as "high" as your own primary title.
In an extreme example your ruler could hold 1 Empire tilte and 40 Kingdom titles while having 12 heirs. On succession your realm will stay together and your 11 other heirs turn into vassals of your primary heir.

Another option is to simply murder the other heirs or declare war on them after succession happened. You immediately get claims on all the titles they hold.

Or the best method which is let it happen, and reap the immense profit that map painters rob themselves of.

[Kapika96]

Originally posted by Barandur:

Your heir will always get the primary title and capital holding. Take a look at all the titles your current ruler holds. Titles belong to different levels. You can have Duchy, Kingdom and Empire titles. If your highest title stands on its own you will not lose parts of your realm on succession.
So if you have 1 Kingdom title but 4 Duchy titles, your primary heir will get that Kingdom title+Capital holding. Your other heirs will get the Duchy titles and since these titles are of lower rank they will become your vassals and still be part of your realm.
If you have multiple Kingdom titles in this case, your realm will fracture since a vassal's primary title can't be as "high" as your own primary title.
In an extreme example your ruler could hold 1 Empire tilte and 40 Kingdom titles while having 12 heirs. On succession your realm will stay together and your 11 other heirs turn into vassals of your primary heir.

It's worth mentioning that this would only work for regular partition. If you have confederate partition then it would create new titles to give to the others heirs allowing them to become independent if it can, regardless of whether you've created those titles or not.

[Barandur]

@Someguyinhere

I remember the fun times with the best method when my realm fractured and my characters siblings immediately got invaded by their neighbours and lost everything. You can totally just let it happen if you like but there are many situations where it is the worse option.

[mortache]

Honestly though, world conquest with Primogeniture play is incredibly boring. Inheritance gives nice challenges to overcome.

And I treat CK3 as a role-playing game anyways. If you're playing as the father, you'd want all of your sons to get the best stuff. Unless you're sadist, then murder or execute them lol. When you are playing as the son, You are probably gonna use the claims you have on their land to unite all the land under you.

What I hate is the distribution of held counties. If I have 2 kingdoms and 2 counties and 3 sons, my third son shouldn't take a county out of the elder brother's lands but the younger one's instead.

[Desert_Dweller]

Originally posted by mortache:

Honestly though, world conquest with Primogeniture play is incredibly boring. Inheritance gives nice challenges to overcome.

And I treat CK3 as a role-playing game anyways. If you're playing as the father, you'd want all of your sons to get the best stuff. Unless you're sadist, then murder or execute them lol. When you are playing as the son, You are probably gonna use the claims you have on their land to unite all the land under you.

What I hate is the distribution of held counties. If I have 2 kingdoms and 2 counties and 3 sons, my third son shouldn't take a county out of the elder brother's lands but the younger one's instead.

Challenges are not fun at all when you lose half of your income, levies, duchy buildings.
Not fun at all.

[Axel-]

Becasue. (C-K-3, It's in the game!)

[mortache]

Originally posted by taher.alqamhawi:

Originally posted by mortache:

Honestly though, world conquest with Primogeniture play is incredibly boring. Inheritance gives nice challenges to overcome.

And I treat CK3 as a role-playing game anyways. If you're playing as the father, you'd want all of your sons to get the best stuff. Unless you're sadist, then murder or execute them lol. When you are playing as the son, You are probably gonna use the claims you have on their land to unite all the land under you.

What I hate is the distribution of held counties. If I have 2 kingdoms and 2 counties and 3 sons, my third son shouldn't take a county out of the elder brother's lands but the younger one's instead.

Challenges are not fun at all when you lose half of your income, levies, duchy buildings.
Not fun at all.

For starters, you can get them back easily as you have claims. And also, inheritance can be easily managed even with confederate partition. Just conquer enough land to give out to each of your sons, or just imprison and execute them lol.

Just cheat to get 1000000 gold if you don't want challenges. Big empires are just too ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ stable and boring. If it was realistic, the top tier title would destroy itself upon inheritance lol. Half the lives of rulers was spent consolidating their power, which never happens in the game.

[mortache]

Like seriously, just look at the tutorial guy in Ireland. His grandfather was the King of Ireland, where did the title go?
Almost all of the Empires that grew in size in history, fractured and fell apart for a reason. Rome conquered the whole Mediterranean, only to break into two. Ashoka and Akbar united most of India, their descendants lost it all. Mongol empire, Alexander's empire all splintered pretty fast. But once Our empire gets large, it just gets larger and larger. Late game is just a race between boredom and map painting.

[Late Game Wonder]

it is a thing of the game, a very unrealistic thing, despite what Paradox might want the player to think partition inheritance was not very common for the very reason you mentioned, it would be in no one's favor.
It was a thing of confederations and that was it.
Feudals or clans did not partition the realm unless in case of internal strife which would lead to civil war anyway.
In response to mortache claim I have to say it is a clear disregard for factual history.
Rome did not partition for centuries, and when it first partitioned the two entities were considered one and the same, just ruled as two halves to make the administration less hassle.
Alexander had no heirs and 4 power hungry generals.
Mongols were a horde and did not have a unified government hence why when they settled they created new empires.
India is india, no one could unite that place for too long for the outsider influence from all sides.
Empires generally grow for a very long time.
Persian empire ruled for 100s of years before falling down only to come back after a short period to rule for more than 500 years.
Francia has been a constant political entity long before even Britannia would become a unified empire.
The unified empire of scandia was a huge entity for hundred of years until swedes rebelled and created their own kingdom, and even after that Denmark and Norway remained together for a long time still.
Most big political entities actually last.
There is something called too big to fail, that effect is a real thing.
Look at russia, it literally went through 3 revolutions and when it was all said and done it was still the world's largest country.

[Uncle Supplies]

Originally posted by taher.alqamhawi:

Originally posted by meraco:

The Succession law you want is Primogeniture.

This law states that when your father dies the eldest Son will inherit everything. If no Son is present then the eldest Daughter gets it all.

In the vanilla game, it takes time to get this to unlock in the early years.

However, there is a mod that helps with this. and judging by your post, you would rather hang on to all the daddy titles when he passes on..

So try this.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2218549875

note: keep in mind that this will shut off iron man and achievements..

Honestly will make me have a lot of achievments.
Thank you very much

You won´t get any.