How to grow quickly the cultur

[Kyusha]

Hello,

I play tribal in Ireland, but the culture progression is really slow to learn every new culture.
I would like to know the way to quickly reach feodal when you start as a tribal country.

[ste]

Higher learning.
Unlocking the speed up technology learning upgrade
Increasing the average development of your counties
Dont convert county culture unless its alot higher than your own development
Can you raid as ireland? Because capturing skilled workers is a huge boost to development

It will still take ages.

[Heraclius Caesar]

Originally posted by ste:

Higher learning.
Unlocking the speed up technology learning upgrade
Increasing the average development of your counties
Dont convert county culture unless its alot higher than your own development
Can you raid as ireland? Because capturing skilled workers is a huge boost to development

It will still take ages.

Just to add on to what ste said, the more counties with your culture there are, the more you'll see an increase to the rate at which you unlock cultural tech.

[ste]

Does that work, because it says the average of your counties, so I thought the bigger you get the worse it gets, which seemed strange to me, but I always tried to not convert any culture unless it was a high dev place, I'm not sure because thats the way Ive always done it so Ive never tested it.

The way its worded is its better to have 1 county at 10 then having 1 county at 10 and then another 9 at 8.

I think the time it takes is a bit much when your converting, I think it took me about 1050 to research all the tribal

[Heraclius Caesar]

Originally posted by ste:

Does that work, because it says the average of your counties, so I thought the bigger you get the worse it gets, which seemed strange to me, but I always tried to not convert any culture unless it was a high dev place, I'm not sure because thats the way Ive always done it so Ive never tested it.

The way its worded is its better to have 1 county at 10 then having 1 county at 10 and then another 9 at 8.

I think the time it takes is a bit much when your converting, I think it took me about 1050 to research all the tribal

From my experience it works. I had a Russian campaign where I tested it out and the more I conquered and converted to Russian, the more Russian vassals I had, plus the learning like you mentioned, the quicker the rate I unlocked tech. I did that pretty indiscriminately of the development of the counties, I was more concerned with having one large continuous bloc of Russian culture.

[ste]

Thats handy to know because I always tried to stop then converting thinking it was having a negative effect.

I think culture is bugged because I dont think it converts naturally overtime, its either converted or through an event by the looks of it

[ottomanstamper]

Find a culture near you that is advanced; I personally prefer the Andalusian one in the south of Spain, in which case I take over Cordoba, then make it my new capital and adopt the culture.
I was absolutely do this anytime that region was within diplomatic range; I even did it from where the woman leader starts in Africa (the one you can choose without having to select play as any leader).
Even though you are not cultural leader for some time you can piggyback off a really advanced culture!

If that is the other side off the world find an accessible culture that is near, believe it or not even Rome or Byzantium can be conquered very early in the game, in fact if not Christian I always conquer Rome before 900 because it puts them on the back foot and means you have far less trouble with crusades. Rome and Byzantium both have massive walls and huge garrisons so once captured, by the time the truce has run out it is very difficult for the AI to get them back!

[ste]

Yeah, thats a good idea. If you switch culture to somebody who already has all tribal tech, then you could switch back if you wanted once you got feudal.

I took the option to switch to Norman once with that event, but I dont think it works properly, because the only people that changed culture was me and the duchy of normandy. He died, my heir came along who was still norse and it was back to the norse ways,

[ottomanstamper]

@ste Never had that problem myself, I think all of my family changed, but if you have young children it is easy to change their culture as a guardian.

Even if what you say applies ie about your heir being Norse, once you gain control of him, since your capital is now Andalusian you can just have him change to Andalusian, or did you not make the new culture place your capital? that is a crucial step.

[ottomanstamper]

Regarding the discussion about rate of unlocking tech and it's relationship to the number of counties that you have;
I can't say for sure that it is not bugged but I have been operating as though it is not and that the rate is dependent on the average.

This means unlike Heraclius Caesar I don't care at all about having one continuous block but only about level of development so I have disconnected areas of culture, for example a few counties around Cordoba, a couple of counties around Rome, Byzantion on it's own and a few counties in India etc.

This strategy has always worked as far as can see in that I always max out the techs that are available by the date the next lot are available; in some cases I have had to wait 10 years or more for the next lot of tech to be available, and there is never any culture that has as many techs researched as mine.

I was at one time considering posting to request the developers do something about the fact that if you are advanced you can spend as much as twenty years with a cultural leader with his learning skill in the seventies but absolutely nothing to research because you haven't reached the date at which they think it is acceptable to research such technology.
In the end I didn't bother because I thought it was probably not a problem that enough players were bothered about to give the developers any sense of urgency to deal with it.

[D34DLY]

It is the average development of counties with that culture. I play as culture that doesn't exist. I convert one county with development 12 to my culture. I am now culture leader, and begin learning new technology. Then, when I convert a second county with development of 4, the rate at which my technology advances goes down proportionately.

I recommend only converting counties with the highest development, so the average development is high. Also, there is little benefit to painting the map with your culture. Better to increase development in the counties that already have your culture.

[Heraclius Caesar]

Having cultural exclaves where the counties have high development is well and good but if you don't control those counties directly, for example if you grant them to a vassal, its very easy for your culture to be washed away in that county (like through a popular revolt that you won't have any knowledge of), whereas in my experience its not so easy for that to happen when its part of a continuous bloc of culture. To each their own though, I'm not saying my way is the "right" way.

[ste]

Yeah, Ive tested this now, you are better off having 1 super county, than many average counties.
I had a few counties where the average was all about 44, and my rate was 68 dev rate
and I had a one where I had many counties where and alot were above 44 and some 55 and whatever and it was only 43 dev rate

I'm not sure I get why it works this way, but it seems you are better off trying to limit culture spread and only convert ones that are higher than you have already

[ottomanstamper]

Originally posted by Heraclius Caesar:

Having cultural exclaves where the counties have high development is well and good but if you don't control those counties directly, for example if you grant them to a vassal, its very easy for your culture to be washed away in that county (like through a popular revolt that you won't have any knowledge of), whereas in my experience its not so easy for that to happen when its part of a continuous bloc of culture. To each their own though, I'm not saying my way is the "right" way.

Since generally the highest developed counties are the best in terms of yield (gold/levies), I am keeping those for myself up to my limit; obviously it is unusual to be able to personally hold much more than 10 counties so as you expand you have to grant them to vassals.

The problem of popular revolts etc that washes away your culture is not something I have ever experienced; can you give a bit more information about it...for example is it gradual or an instant change? Also how does it happen without your knowledge?
When there is a rebellion against one of my vassals I know about it (even when it is one that I am not allowed to help them with despite being allied to them), so I am confused about the particular scenario you are referring to.

[Heraclius Caesar]

Originally posted by ottomanstamper:

Originally posted by Heraclius Caesar:

Having cultural exclaves where the counties have high development is well and good but if you don't control those counties directly, for example if you grant them to a vassal, its very easy for your culture to be washed away in that county (like through a popular revolt that you won't have any knowledge of), whereas in my experience its not so easy for that to happen when its part of a continuous bloc of culture. To each their own though, I'm not saying my way is the "right" way.

Since generally the highest developed counties are the best in terms of yield (gold/levies), I am keeping those for myself up to my limit; obviously it is unusual to be able to personally hold much more than 10 counties so as you expand you have to grant them to vassals.

The problem of popular revolts etc that washes away your culture is not something I have ever experienced; can you give a bit more information about it...for example is it gradual or an instant change? Also how does it happen without your knowledge?
When there is a rebellion against one of my vassals I know about it (even when it is one that I am not allowed to help them with despite being allied to them), so I am confused about the particular scenario you are referring to.

I've had it happen to me a few times.

An example I can give where it happened to me somewhat recently was in a Russian campaign I had. I was tsar of Russia. I had a solid bloc that was Russian culture in the middle of the realm, with other cultures around it and then Russian culture exclaves mixed in. One of those Russian culture exclaves was more or less the duchy of lesser Poland, with a Russian duke with Russian counties.

After tending other things for a little while I bring up the cultural overlay and notice that area isn't Russian anymore (I think it switched to Lithuanian, I'm not sure) and its Russian duke, who was a kinsman of my character, had been replaced by a random Lithuanian (? Again it may have been something else, but certainly no longer Russian) character, who had been "installed by popular revolt" according to the title history.

Seeing as how I wasn't paying attention to just that area the entire time I cannot say for sure if its instant or gradual but I believe its pretty immediate, from my perspective it looked like the culture of those counties flipped when the ruler changed but I could be wrong.

I would say that it can very easily go unnoticed, without your knowledge, for some time when you have a very large empire going on and you aren't necessarily worried about, for example, the duke of lesser Poland when you're conquering your way through the Levant and the middle east and doing other things.