Murder schemes

[Dufflebags]

At what percentage on an iron man do you personally feel confident enough/desperate enough or both to pull off a murder scheme on ironman? Also, what happens if I fail and everyone knows? Will I be imprisoned or worse? Sorry for the dumb questions tonight fellas.

[EA Latium]

It depends by the reward/risk, sometimes just as little as 60% coulbe be acceptable, I find secrecy something more important to keep an eye on.

If you get caught there will be consequences - a huge malus from the target and their family, could be jailed if you are a vassal (that's affected by the Crown Authority, at Lv.3 refusing imprisonment is a crime) and may start a rivalry, which may lead to other people trying to murder you instead.

t's worse if you actually manage to kill and get caught though, that gives a bad Trait as well and even worse ones if the target are kins.

[Dufflebags]

Originally posted by EA Latium:

It depends by the reward/risk, sometimes just as little as 60% coulbe be acceptable, I find secrecy something more important to keep an eye on.

If you get caught there will be consequences - a huge malus from the target and their family, could be jailed if you are a vassal (that's affected by the Crown Authority, at Lv.3 refusing imprisonment is a crime) and may start a rivalry, which may lead to other people trying to murder you instead.

t's worse if you actually manage to kill and get caught though, that gives a bad Trait as well and even worse ones if the target are kins.

So obviously super bad in your own dynasty or realm, but what about on enemy kingdoms? Obviously they probably dislike your more now and might try to kill you now too as you said - but I'm guessing no internal conflicts? I don't have to worry about a vassal usurping me because I'm a known criminal now?

[Dufflebags]

Originally posted by Dufflebags:

Originally posted by EA Latium:

It depends by the reward/risk, sometimes just as little as 60% coulbe be acceptable, I find secrecy something more important to keep an eye on.

If you get caught there will be consequences - a huge malus from the target and their family, could be jailed if you are a vassal (that's affected by the Crown Authority, at Lv.3 refusing imprisonment is a crime) and may start a rivalry, which may lead to other people trying to murder you instead.

t's worse if you actually manage to kill and get caught though, that gives a bad Trait as well and even worse ones if the target are kins.

So obviously super bad in your own dynasty or realm, but what about on enemy kingdoms? Obviously they probably dislike your more now and might try to kill you now too as you said - but I'm guessing no internal conflicts? I don't have to worry about a vassal usurping me because I'm a known criminal now?

Just for perspectives sake I'm considering murdering the leader of the roman empire because then I have better chance of formulating an alliance and maybe stealing his kingdom under his nose through marriage or likewise. It's like a 55% to pull off and a 65% to not get caught.

[Dufflebags]

I hate when the quote gets f'd up and your response is in the window.... Ugh, ican't fix it

[EA Latium]

Originally posted by Dufflebags:

So obviously super bad in your own dynasty or realm, but what about on enemy kingdoms? Obviously they probably dislike your more now and might try to kill you now too as you said - but I'm guessing no internal conflicts? I don't have to worry about a vassal usurping me because I'm a known criminal now?

Foreign realms are a bit more "forgiving" in this regard, they are tougher to pull off but there's a bit less risk involved; mind you, this may still cause them to dislike you enough an escalate to a conflict or try to kill you, but in general is not as problematic as internal intrigue.

If you get caught and the deed is done you'll still be labelled as murderer which affects your internal relationships as well, but if you fail you won't have many issues.

Just for perspectives sake I'm considering murdering the leader of the roman empire because then I have better chance of formulating an alliance and maybe stealing his kingdom under his nose through marriage or likewise. It's like a 55% to pull off and a 65% to not get caught.

That sounds like a sound plan, I'd advice to raise the chance a bit more though, there's a lot a stake so could be worth waiting. Personally I wouldn't go less than let's say 80% in your shoes.

Originally posted by Dufflebags:

I hate when the quote gets f'd up and your response is in the window.... Ugh, ican't fix it

Ahahah I know right.

[Dufflebags]

Originally posted by EA Latium:

Originally posted by Dufflebags:

So obviously super bad in your own dynasty or realm, but what about on enemy kingdoms? Obviously they probably dislike your more now and might try to kill you now too as you said - but I'm guessing no internal conflicts? I don't have to worry about a vassal usurping me because I'm a known criminal now?

Foreign realms are a bit more "forgiving" in this regard, they are tougher to pull off but there's a bit less risk involved; mind you, this may still cause them to dislike you enough an escalate to a conflict or try to kill you, but in general is not as problematic as internal intrigue.

If you get caught and the deed is done you'll still be labelled as murderer which affects your internal relationships as well, but if you fail you won't have many issues.

Just for perspectives sake I'm considering murdering the leader of the roman empire because then I have better chance of formulating an alliance and maybe stealing his kingdom under his nose through marriage or likewise. It's like a 55% to pull off and a 65% to not get caught.

That sounds like a sound plan, I'd advice to raise the chance a bit more though, there's a lot a stake so could be worth waiting. Personally I wouldn't go less than let's say 80% in your shoes.

Originally posted by Dufflebags:

I hate when the quote gets f'd up and your response is in the window.... Ugh, ican't fix it

Ahahah I know right.

Thanks bro, good advise. I was thinking the same. But you know, sometimes you make that 60 percent gamble and the game seems to favor your wrecklessness. Then you make the guarantee and you hit the 5% chance to fail. ( ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ happened on my 2nd murder scheme lol.)

[EA Latium]

I hear you man, lost the count how many times happened lol

[Dufflebags]

Originally posted by EA Latium:

I hear you man, lost the count how many times happened lol

Since I got you here and I don't want to flood the community with my drunk chattiness, I got a question about counties.

So as far as my noob knowledge knows, I should invest most my money into my core county for when succession occurs so I get the strongest bonuses from the infastructure. But I kinda had a weird dynasty switch, where the kingdom passed between two brothers (rightful heir and much younger sibling)

Now, in this switch, my core family I guess you could say, from thomond (still grinding that nood island, yknow) is off the throne and the brother family that I gave the duchy of ulster is on the throne (he's a good king so not looking to swap.) So it shows him as being the king in thomond still, or his picture is there, but i notice in the fine print it said, "Build in your vassal's county."

So my question is, even though thomond is my capital for my realm, is it no longer my county and all my investments I've kind been getting neglible returns on because my no name mayor actually owns it all now? Is there a way I can easily click and find out definitely are full mine? And is it just my original duchy that I have much power over, or all of them?

[Dufflebags]

Originally posted by Dufflebags:

Originally posted by EA Latium:

I hear you man, lost the count how many times happened lol

Since I got you here and I don't want to flood the community with my drunk chattiness, I got a question about counties.

So as far as my noob knowledge knows, I should invest most my money into my core county for when succession occurs so I get the strongest bonuses from the infastructure. But I kinda had a weird dynasty switch, where the kingdom passed between two brothers (rightful heir and much younger sibling)

Now, in this switch, my core family I guess you could say, from thomond (still grinding that nood island, yknow) is off the throne and the brother family that I gave the duchy of ulster is on the throne (he's a good king so not looking to swap.) So it shows him as being the king in thomond still, or his picture is there, but i notice in the fine print it said, "Build in your vassal's county."

So my question is, even though thomond is my capital for my realm, is it no longer my county and all my investments I've kind been getting neglible returns on because my no name mayor actually owns it all now? Is there a way I can easily click and find out definitely are full mine? And is it just my original duchy that I have much power over, or all of them?

EDIT: my god this post was a train wreck. sorry for the spelling grammer and incoherency. I'd try to fix but likely make worse.

[EA Latium]

Originally posted by Dufflebags:

Since I got you here and I don't want to flood the community with my drunk chattiness, I got a question about counties.

So as far as my noob knowledge knows, I should invest most my money into my core county for when succession occurs so I get the strongest bonuses from the infastructure. But I kinda had a weird dynasty switch, where the kingdom passed between two brothers (rightful heir and much younger sibling)

Now, in this switch, my core family I guess you could say, from thomond (still grinding that nood island, yknow) is off the throne and the brother family that I gave the duchy of ulster is on the throne (he's a good king so not looking to swap.) So it shows him as being the king in thomond still, or his picture is there, but i notice in the fine print it said, "Build in your vassal's county."

So my question is, even though thomond is my capital for my realm, is it no longer my county and all my investments I've kind been getting neglible returns on because my no name mayor actually owns it all now? Is there a way I can easily click and find out definitely are full mine? And is it just my original duchy that I have much power over, or all of them?

Yes you can definitely check that! For starters you should still have it I think, either you or your brother, the mayor is likely just one of the direct vassals.

When you look at the map and zooming, you can see the places with a banner are yours. I found this random image online, basically the one with the names are part of the demesne: https://cdn.gamer-network.net/2019/usgamer/Crusader-Kings-3_Screenshot4/EG11/thumbnail/1920x1080/format/jpg/quality/65/crusader-kings-3-annnounced-release-window-first-details.jpg

Otherwise you can see them in character panel as "titles" or even better in the ledger on the top left (there's a drop down menu inside).

You have control over your Demesne only but you can still build in your vassals' lands too.

Originally posted by Dufflebags:

EDIT: my god this post was a train wreck. sorry for the spelling grammer and incoherency. I'd try to fix but likely make worse.

Ahah no worries man, it was fine!

[Average AMD neanderthal]

i do it if i see a 50%+ chance with 60+ secrecy. sometimes you really need someone dead.

[Dufflebags]

Originally posted by EA Latium:

Originally posted by Dufflebags:

Since I got you here and I don't want to flood the community with my drunk chattiness, I got a question about counties.

So as far as my noob knowledge knows, I should invest most my money into my core county for when succession occurs so I get the strongest bonuses from the infastructure. But I kinda had a weird dynasty switch, where the kingdom passed between two brothers (rightful heir and much younger sibling)

Now, in this switch, my core family I guess you could say, from thomond (still grinding that nood island, yknow) is off the throne and the brother family that I gave the duchy of ulster is on the throne (he's a good king so not looking to swap.) So it shows him as being the king in thomond still, or his picture is there, but i notice in the fine print it said, "Build in your vassal's county."

So my question is, even though thomond is my capital for my realm, is it no longer my county and all my investments I've kind been getting neglible returns on because my no name mayor actually owns it all now? Is there a way I can easily click and find out definitely are full mine? And is it just my original duchy that I have much power over, or all of them?

Yes you can definitely check that! For starters you should still have it I think, either you or your brother, the mayor is likely just one of the direct vassals.

When you look at the map and zooming, you can see the places with a banner are yours. I found this random image online, basically the one with the names are part of the demesne: https://cdn.gamer-network.net/2019/usgamer/Crusader-Kings-3_Screenshot4/EG11/thumbnail/1920x1080/format/jpg/quality/65/crusader-kings-3-annnounced-release-window-first-details.jpg

Otherwise you can see them in character panel as "titles" or even better in the ledger on the top left (there's a drop down menu inside).

You have control over your Demesne only but you can still build in your vassals' lands too.

Originally posted by Dufflebags:

EDIT: my god this post was a train wreck. sorry for the spelling grammer and incoherency. I'd try to fix but likely make worse.

Ahah no worries man, it was fine!

You're a real bro, my guy.

So that all being said. Obviously at some point in the size of the kingdom it's probably still going to give some advantage to spread your money around your kingdom, even in the counties/duchies you don't hold? How bad are the penalties towards your miltary upgrades etc? I expect there would some signficant blow to levies and taxes.

[Dufflebags]

Originally posted by Hans Würst:

i do it if i see a 50%+ chance with 60+ secrecy. sometimes you really need someone dead.

This is kinda where I'm at, I'm tempted to take that risk. But I have 200 years left approx to conquer brittannia and this is my best game yet. So I'm afraid of the risk....

Even though risks moreorless got me here.

EDIT: I mostly just need to end this war between scotland and norway so I can just passively usurp with money, but this stupid thing has been going back and forth 1% at a time forever.... and norway has a signifciantly better army so I don't get the hold up

[EA Latium]

Originally posted by Dufflebags:

You're a real bro, my guy.

So that all being said. Obviously at some point in the size of the kingdom it's probably still going to give some advantage to spread your money around your kingdom, even in the counties/duchies you don't hold? How bad are the penalties towards your miltary upgrades etc? I expect there would some signficant blow to levies and taxes.

Glad it helped mate ;)

The fellas only give you a percentage of their levies and taxes - those can be changed individually with their contracts, is pretty handy for "shaping" your realm, it's also advisable to check them when you get new vassals, otherwise they can give you headaches.

Normally is recommended to only improve what you own or help a new settlement get going, mid to late game you'll have more spare cash in case you want to help a vassal with something, but I'd say it's a very low priority thing.

[Dufflebags]

Originally posted by EA Latium:

Originally posted by Dufflebags:

You're a real bro, my guy.

So that all being said. Obviously at some point in the size of the kingdom it's probably still going to give some advantage to spread your money around your kingdom, even in the counties/duchies you don't hold? How bad are the penalties towards your miltary upgrades etc? I expect there would some signficant blow to levies and taxes.

Glad it helped mate ;)

The fellas only give you a percentage of their levies and taxes - those can be changed individually with their contracts, is pretty handy for "shaping" your realm, it's also advisable to check them when you get new vassals, otherwise they can give you headaches.

Normally is recommended to only improve what you own or help a new settlement get going, mid to late game you'll have more spare cash in case you want to help a vassal with something, but I'd say it's a very low priority thing.

Si.

Yeah, cause I'm actually doing not bad for money, and there's been a few instances where all my holdings in my perceivable county where busy upgrading for 'x' years. So I figured if that's the situation, even a reduced bonus in other counties is better than waiting an eternity to dump all the money in my main turf.

Is this an advantageous approach? Or am I better off just not spending my money and waiting for construction to finish and fully flesh thomond? (or I guess now in this case fuggin Ulster.)

EDIT: so, also, to clarify. Less on the levies and taxes and more on the building traits, do I get a the advantages with the buildings to my army? Like "X"+ on archers, spearmen, etc. Or is it reduced? Or i don't get it at all?

I ask ideally because I'd like to make a very strong army that could defeat larger forces.