Balance Notes: DaneLaw is strong as hell.

[RenMax_Real]

While I like a lot of the new content, I have to admit, something that the game has now is rather bothersome for me. I refer to the DaneLaw faction that can spawn with the new content, the group that starts off with about 4K-6K men that can curb stomp pretty much all of its neighbors. I watched them kill Alba for a while, then delete me in Ireland even with me owning about half of Ireland at the time. I am not mad or anything, CK3 isn't always fair, such is CK life. But I do think that perhaps they are a bit too strong? Like, if they can solo all their neighbors, perhaps they need to be toned down a tad bit. Just to see how they do from there, perhaps.

[Evilgenius]

I haven't had i happen yet, but I am wondering, do they spawn with any men at arms, and does their army replenish?

[sfbistimg]

Alba wiped them out in my game

[Moist Butt]

Honestly i rather have a huge powerhouse at the start. CK3 is far too easy so having a tough opponent is always welcome.

[Hao Zhao]

The fall of Kent will trigger early crusades. Time is against them, though, that probably doesn't make you feel better if you were playing up north and were completely destroyed.

[RenMax_Real]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Hao Zhao:

The fall of Kent will trigger early crusades. Time is against them, though, that probably doesn't make you feel better if you were playing up north and were completely destroyed.

The main issue I ran into for me was that I was playing as the Irish, and because of that I am somewhat isolated due to being Insular. So for the most part, nobody really cares about lil ol me and won't do any crusading. From what I can tell, unless you can rely on the AI to focus them and keep them busy, or unless you can land a close and strong ally early, you are kinda dead as Ireland. At least, I was the 2x I played it, I will keep testing to see if that holds up still.

[Kapika96]

Yeah, the two British Viking duchies Jorvik (who can become the Danelaw Kingdom) and Odreyjar (who can become the Odreyjar kingdom) start with about 5k event troops each. It's been like that since day 1. They are the great heathen army that invaded Britain and were repelled by Alfred the great. If he fails to beat them then... them conquering the majority of the British isles is probably what would have happened IRL too so it makes complete sense.

Their event troops don't replenish though, so they will get weaker over time and if they don't make significant progress very early then they'll end up being fairly small and only a minor power.

[mortache]

Gain allies, fight them and kill off the special soldiers. Once they're gone and the peasants rebel they'll be much weaker.

[delete]

The Danelaw event troops are just basic levies, they are poor troops and winter attrition will kill them off quickly.

Playing as Alfred I start by grabbing all of the Wessex de-jure lands I can (while still a vassal). I ignore the vikings who will generally settle for East Anglia, Northumbria and the Yorvik area.

It's easier to conquer England if the pagans hold a lot of land; the worst thing that can happen is that they convert to Christianity.

Alternatively, a marriage alliance with west Frankia and calling them into the war...

The 1066 start with England is far harder to win (seems Paradox don't want the English to have an easy start; it's probably a brexit revenge thing :) )

[The Former]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von mortache:

Gain allies, fight them and kill off the special soldiers. Once they're gone and the peasants rebel they'll be much weaker.

So light infantry, I presume? I haven't seen the Danelaw yet, but I'm guessing most of the special troops will be Huscarls.

[delete]

Nope, I've just played as them. They are basic levies, nothing special at all.

Although after a few months (or years?) of play I did receive a bonus of 100 light troops (the worst Norse kind, they now have 3 types of light troops).

[The Former]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von delete:

Nope, I've just played as them. They are basic levies, nothing special at all.

Then fight them on rough ground, got it. I suspect OP's Danelaw either had truly exceptional champions, or they had a ton of levies and were using sheer numbers to sweep their enemies asunder. The 4k-6k claim does reinforce this.

[SusPhish]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von evilgenius:

I haven't had i happen yet, but I am wondering, do they spawn with any men at arms, and does their army replenish?

Both of the viking nations in the British Isles at the start have 5000 event troops which are levy only and do not replenish. I believe that they do pass on to the heir when the ruler dies unlike some event troops.

[Br0wn3y3]

ok i get its a game.... and balance issues but the overall lack of history knowledge in this topic is concerning.

The great heathen army was OP thats why they killed off most the kings in great britain at the time.

and as for england being too hard in the 1066 start of course it was... they had norway and scotland invading in the north and the normans from the south the anglo saxon kindgom of enlgand was no match for the normans much less them and the northern threat.

as for the starting troops they get ya 5k levies are nice but yorvik and the isls are hostle and sometimes fight right off the bat, they can get passed down but they are garbage troops and they never replinish so when that 5k dies they are gone and never coming back.

[Kapika96]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von delete:

The 1066 start with England is far harder to win (seems Paradox don't want the English to have an easy start; it's probably a brexit revenge thing :) )

I'd disagree. England in 1066 is easy. William is an awesome start!

[delete]

"ok i get its a game.... and balance issues but the overall lack of history knowledge in this topic is concerning."

Yes it is.

The Norman Conquest of England was an arrow in the eye fluke. The hardly outmatched Anglo Saxons easily dealt with the Norwegian invasion in the North but made the catastrophic mistake of immediately marching on the Normans. In the process losing the bulk of their army to fatigue after the long march North and the even longer march to the South.

Had they just regrouped in London the History of the world would have been re-written. Harold's own fault.

Still it's all if's and but's.

The much earlier great heathen army achieved remarkable success in holding onto land in the British isles, when wikinga of the time were prone to return home to share their loot.

This game does a fair representation of both invasions at the very start; but the AI and player superiority changes history very easily.