Does anyone actually play this game?

[Viperswhip]

I got some achievements in my first day of playing the other day, and I am just looking at them. Most players have not gotten married in game? What? Inherited a title from someone you killed is like 12%

That's something you do in game? I guess most people don't play Ironman then?

[AdmiralPiett]

Originally posted by VoiD:

Originally posted by AdmiralPiett:

what a petty small-minded comment

complain to paradox, their decision to lock out a part of the game unless you play it a certain way.

Some people play the game.

Some just a demo.

Achievements aren't "part of the game" locked behind some sort of special door. They're just meaningless awards for doing everything you can do with them turned off. Actually, MORE features of the game are UNLOCKED by not playing with Ironman on and achievements available (mod content, custom rulers, need i go on?)

[VoiD]

Originally posted by AdmiralPiett:

Originally posted by VoiD:

complain to paradox, their decision to lock out a part of the game unless you play it a certain way.

Some people play the game.

Some just a demo.

Achievements aren't "part of the game" locked behind some sort of special door. They're just meaningless awards for doing everything you can do with them turned off. Actually, MORE features of the game are UNLOCKED by not playing with Ironman on and achievements available (mod content, custom rulers, need i go on?)

I'm sorry, are achievements not connected to CK3?

Can I legitimately get achievements for CK3 playing The Witcher?

[AdmiralPiett]

Originally posted by VoiD:

Originally posted by AdmiralPiett:

Achievements aren't "part of the game" locked behind some sort of special door. They're just meaningless awards for doing everything you can do with them turned off. Actually, MORE features of the game are UNLOCKED by not playing with Ironman on and achievements available (mod content, custom rulers, need i go on?)

I'm sorry, are achievements not connected to CK3?

Can I legitimately get achievements for CK3 playing The Witcher?

ACHIEVEMENTS

ARE

NOT

CONTENT





Playing without achievements is not just "playing a demo"

[VoiD]

Originally posted by AdmiralPiett:

Originally posted by VoiD:

I'm sorry, are achievements not connected to CK3?

Can I legitimately get achievements for CK3 playing The Witcher?

ACHIEVEMENTS

ARE

NOT

CONTENT





Playing without achievements is not just "playing a demo"

Making an empty claim has no value.

Thanks for admiting, you are not playing the full game, now go on with your demo version and cheatmods.

[Kali (MM)]

Almost 200 hours and no achievements - I did not know this until I just looked - I do not care about achievements.

[Finarfin]

Originally posted by Kali (MM):

Almost 200 hours and no achievements - I did not know this until I just looked - I do not care about achievements.

Real gamers don't care about achievements. It's the experience, not the need to find some sense of self-worth in a game.

[The Former]

Originally posted by VoiD:

Originally posted by AdmiralPiett:

ACHIEVEMENTS

ARE

NOT

CONTENT





Playing without achievements is not just "playing a demo"

Making an empty claim has no value.

Thanks for admiting, you are not playing the full game, now go on with your demo version and cheatmods.

Interesting fact: I don't have any mods, nor the console, enabled. I literally just untick ironman. You can do that, without using a single mod. Your statement about "cheatmods" is in and of itself an empty claim.

Now, as far as this whole "demo version" thing is concern, the good admiral has the right of it. "Real gamers" have existed since the 80's, long before achievements were a thing. But even if we put that aside, let's just look at the actual semantic content of his post.

Achievements are not content.

You call this an "empty claim". On what grounds? What does that even mean? I suppose you mean to say it's wrong, in which case only the opposite could be true: Achievements are content.

So let me ask you. How much enjoyment have you gotten out of an achievement? Have you ever thought of ways the devs could improve an achievement? Which company has the best Achievement Designer, in your opinion, and how many awards has that person won for their work? How much space do CK3's achievements take up on your hard disk? What kind of resources are required by your PC to simulate CK3's achievements?

Achievements are nothing but bragging rights challenges. They're fun little things to strive towards for players who buy into that sort of thing. It's an attempt to bring back the old spirit of competition and scoreboards in an era full of games that are increasingly non-linear and devoid of point tallies. That's all they are. They don't actually add anything to the game, and therefore are not content.

[Finarfin]

Considering that some games exist on multiple retail platforms and that some platforms don't offer achievements we can correctly determine that achievements are not part of content.

[The Former]

Originally posted by Finarfin:

Considering that some games exist on multiple retail platforms and that some platforms don't offer achievements we can correctly determine that achievements are not part of content.

A much quicker path to the conclusion, yes. Shocking as it is for a lot of Steam users to believe, there are in fact platforms that don't have achievements.

[VoiD]

Originally posted by Lockfågel, the Paradox Knight:

Originally posted by VoiD:

Making an empty claim has no value.

Thanks for admiting, you are not playing the full game, now go on with your demo version and cheatmods.

Interesting fact: I don't have any mods, nor the console, enabled. I literally just untick ironman. You can do that, without using a single mod. Your statement about "cheatmods" is in and of itself an empty claim.

Now, as far as this whole "demo version" thing is concern, the good admiral has the right of it. "Real gamers" have existed since the 80's, long before achievements were a thing. But even if we put that aside, let's just look at the actual semantic content of his post.

Achievements are not content.

You call this an "empty claim". On what grounds? What does that even mean? I suppose you mean to say it's wrong, in which case only the opposite could be true: Achievements are content.

So let me ask you. How much enjoyment have you gotten out of an achievement? Have you ever thought of ways the devs could improve an achievement? Which company has the best Achievement Designer, in your opinion, and how many awards has that person won for their work? How much space do CK3's achievements take up on your hard disk? What kind of resources are required by your PC to simulate CK3's achievements?

Achievements are nothing but bragging rights challenges. They're fun little things to strive towards for players who buy into that sort of thing. It's an attempt to bring back the old spirit of competition and scoreboards in an era full of games that are increasingly non-linear and devoid of point tallies. That's all they are. They don't actually add anything to the game, and therefore are not content.

Wrong.

Achievements are endgame goals, playing the game without a goal is possible, but you can't claim you have ever finished a game, it's no different from starting 500 total war campaigns and not ever finishing one, possible, but you still have never finished one, ever.

As for the content thing it can be easily debunked by the fact that they exist, while they exist you are the ones who have to prove that somehow something that exists does not, because if it does, it is content period.

In CK3 it goes into the extreme level that achievements are attached both to the platform the game is being played on, Steam, and inside the game itself, so your void claim is bunk.

Of course I won't even get into the stupid claim that somehow something that didn't exist in the past is not content because reasons, after all, stories, roleplay, strategy, or even graphics, sound and being able to save a game are somehow not part of a game's content because some ♥♥♥♥♥♥ game from decades ago did not have it, that's too dumb to discuss.

This is a simple A = A problem, there is no need to create an argument, it's self evident, the content of a game is the content of the game, you'll have to bend reality in mental gymnastics to get around this one.

[Finarfin]

So if a game on a non-Steam platform does not have achievements is it missing content even if it's the same price?

[VoiD]

Originally posted by Finarfin:

So if a game on a non-Steam platform does not have achievements is it missing content even if it's the same price?

A game without turns is missing content even if it's the same price?

[Finarfin]

Originally posted by VoiD:

Originally posted by Finarfin:

So if a game on a non-Steam platform does not have achievements is it missing content even if it's the same price?

A game without turns is missing content even if it's the same price?

Are you not going to answer the question?

[VoiD]

Originally posted by Finarfin:

Originally posted by VoiD:

A game without turns is missing content even if it's the same price?

Are you not going to answer the question?

Are you going to answer the question?

[Finarfin]

Originally posted by VoiD:

Originally posted by Finarfin:

Are you not going to answer the question?

Are you going to answer the question?

I figured you'd avoid the question. Your question about missing turns makes no sense. So, I'll ask again and see if you avoid it again:

If a game on a non-Steam platform does not have achievements is it missing content even if it's the same price?