Is Hellenic worth it?

[Еврейский Нигер]

I'm playing as a Spanish emperor who's about to conquer the whole Byzantine Empire and go for the Roman Restoration.

My wife just gave birth to a Beautiful, Herculean, Fecund and Genius boy, who's about to be sent to an African university to become a Bidaic Scholar. I'm doing this so that my heir could farm piety and easily convert to Hellenism.

Is it worth it though? As a Hellenic Emperor, will I get any special decisions or events?

[Kapika96]

Haven't tried it yet, but I highly doubt it. The Byzantine empire and everything related to it seems to be incredibly bare bones at the moment, I doubt Hellenism will be any exception to that.

After the inevitable Byzantine DLC it may be worth it, but right now I don't think so.

[Еврейский Нигер]

Originally posted by Kapika96:

Haven't tried it yet, but I highly doubt it. The Byzantine empire and everything related to it seems to be incredibly bare bones at the moment, I doubt Hellenism will be any exception to that.

After the inevitable Byzantine DLC it may be worth it, but right now I don't think so.

Yeah, I had a feeling that this was the case. Besides, the whole reformation mechanics seems kinda underdeveloped, since the only way to become Hellenic is to exploit the game.

[Mati_Lublin]

Aside flavour regarding chosen tenets you can:
- restore Roman Empire (be emperor of Byzaantium/Italia [with Unify Italy decision taken] and christian or hellenist religion)
- and dismantle the Papacy (first, take all Papal land and your religion shouldn't be pacifist or christian-sympathetic)
And that's all.

[Shoat]

Some flavor text for the roman restoration popups is different, I think.

More importantly though, you can dismantle the papacy and break christianity's brutal stranglehold over europe, which is a worthwhile lategame goal to shoot for.

[Mati_Lublin]

Tbh "Dismantle the Papacy" isn't hellenic unique decision; you just have to own Italy and follow either Asartru, Slavic, Greco-Roman, Viidist or be muslim (all of them used to hold a grudge against christianity at some point).

And I wonder if mending the schism is actually better as most of Christianity follows suit (even if shouldn't) enriching the player with lots of friends.

[Shoat]

Originally posted by Mati_Lublin:

And I wonder if mending the schism is actually better as most of Christianity follows suit (even if shouldn't) enriching the player with lots of friends.

Mending the schism would indeed leave you with lots of friends and as such an easier time cleaning up afterwards compared to reviving hellenism, but is that really "better"?
This game is not exactly about making things as easy as possible for yourself, but about picking interesting and flavorful end goals to play towards (and a christian roman empire is quite a sour and saddening flavor in my opinion).

Then again, no point in arguing, since it's up to personal taste.

[Beatbeat Goodbeat]

Completely not worth it. Its a meme.

[SkaarSmashKikou]

Originally posted by Shoat:

Originally posted by Mati_Lublin:

And I wonder if mending the schism is actually better as most of Christianity follows suit (even if shouldn't) enriching the player with lots of friends.

Mending the schism would indeed leave you with lots of friends and as such an easier time cleaning up afterwards compared to reviving hellenism, but is that really "better"?
This game is not exactly about making things as easy as possible for yourself, but about picking interesting and flavorful end goals to play towards (and a christian roman empire is quite a sour and saddening flavor in my opinion).

Then again, no point in arguing, since it's up to personal taste.

Not mentioning the fact that Hellenism was, supposed, to still alive in the mountainouns regions of the small Greek island of Mani:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Greek_religion#Decline_and_suppression
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mani_Peninsula#Religion

[AmesNFire]

The only benefit you get from Hellenic is being able to reform the faith into something unique for you.

At least the Roman Empire de-jures' every empire you're holding at the time you form it, plus a neat trait for the Emperor.

[shakenidentity]

I agree with those posting above. I like to start out as Hellenic (you can choose it when you create your avatar), but then, you have everyone absolutely hating you and trying to arrest you and kill you until you can take three Hellenic holy sites and reform Hellenism to your own creative version of 'Reformed Hellenism.' Then, everyone else still hates you, but it's palatable (not so bad) and worth it, because of the way you were able to creatively structure your own religion to suit yourself and benefit You and Yours; it's not real Hellenism in any historical sense; it's merely called 'Hellenism.'

I don't think the 'dismantle the papacy' thing ever really happens. If I'm wrong and someone here has actually dismantled the papacy, please let me know. I've unlanded the pope several times and had every other requirement satisfied as well, but there the pope still was... existing as the pope, and there was nothing I could do about it. Hellenism wouldn't help with that.

[AmesNFire]

Originally posted by shakenidentity:

I don't think the 'dismantle the papacy' thing ever really happens. If I'm wrong and someone here has actually dismantled the papacy, please let me know. I've unlanded the pope several times and had every other requirement satisfied as well, but there the pope still was... existing as the pope, and there was nothing I could do about it. Hellenism wouldn't help with that.

It works, you just have to unland the Pope before doing it; which should happen anyway if you take Rome unless some random Catholic AI handed the Pope a bunch of land.

Then when you dismantle the papacy, it destroys the Pope's special title. Assuming the pope was unlanded, that means the papacy is gone until/unless somebody was able to restore it at some point.

[Сааребас]

Are you playing min/maxing or RP'ing?

[dwarfpcfan]

the only reason to be Hellenic is as a storytelling/rp challenge

[Сааребас]

Originally posted by dwarfpcfan:

the only reason to be Hellenic is as a storytelling/rp challenge

true but even within that condition you can still play one way or the other or even somewhere in between :)

[Mati_Lublin]

To be honest, hellenic is obligatory if you want to create Roman Empire and still dismantle the "Papdom" (aside odd choice to convert into islam after restorirng RE as christian). This way, you have your own custom pagan faith, huge Med empire and don't have to worry about crusades.