Stopping dynasty wars is useless ?

[Jeza]

I've been trying to use that to stabilize my kingdom by stopping vassals from infighting.
My direct vassals are ok because of the crown authority but their vassals are going against each other or their lieges quite a lot and with all the alliances they're dragging the whole kingdom in their conflicts killing a lot of good vassals and wasting money.

As I'm head of faith I worked to have most of my indirect vassals be from my house so I could use the stop dynasty wars option and it seemed like a great if costly idea but it's in fact completely useless.
Sure they stop in white peace as soon as I use the demand but a month later if not sooner they start the war again.
Even if I could waste all of my house prestige for this purpose it would be useless because one day i'll run out and they'll be able to infight to their hearts content.

As I don't play in ironman I tried using a code to add back the dynasty prestige used to see what would happen, I have 3 counts who have been trying to fight their liege for decades now, I've stopped even counting how many times I had to stop them from going at war during those 25 years.

Is there something I'm missing that would make it stick at least for a couple of years or so or is it just badly implemented and useless ?

[Nate]

It's not the worst idea to use if your dynasty has a bunch of crusader states and you want them to be independant from each other to gather more renown and possible take the decision Dynasty of Many Crowns. Otherwise it does become quite costly with little payout if you're trying to manage domestical wars with it.

[Jeza]

Originally posted by Nate:

It's not the worst idea to use if your dynasty has a bunch of crusader states and you want them to be independant from each other to gather more renown and possible take the decision Dynasty of Many Crowns. Otherwise it does become quite costly with little payout if you're trying to manage domestical wars with it.

Yes it's what I'm finding out, but still it shouldn't be "normal" for the AI to be able to "spam" wars after I just stopped them, there should be a cooldown, otherwise the end dynasty war option is useless. I've had some vassals go to war against the same other vassal 6 times in a row in 20 days or so, it's crazy.

[DemonicSquid]

It's ridiculous at the moment. You can't play a family/dynasty focused game without the dynasty war spam every month. It costs you reknown to manually stop them and there are so many of them it just tanks it so quick it's pointless.

I've ended up just letting them get on with it as there is very little you can do until you get late game laws in place.

[Eilif]

Yes, those constant vassal wars are annoying. They all act like spoiled children. I also hate it when conquering new land who i grant to a new person, and the first thing my other vassals do is throw themself at him. If i wanted them to have it, i would have given them the land. It doesnt matter if the other vassals have claim on it or not. If they dont, they just produce one.

Using end dynasty wars will only create a white peace for a while, before their on it again. But i use it anyway. As it helps preventing vassals to become too large and powerful, at least for a while. I try to avoid ending up with just a few dukes but rather several independent counts, as it gives me more taxes and soldiers, and end dynasty wars is an ok tool for that.

[VoiD]

I always thought the AI was, in general, way, way too passive.

Even as I bump crown authority to the max, ocasionally, I still give all my feudal kings the rights to wage wars freely hoping they move and do something interesting.

PS: There is never a single king, and often very few duques or counts in my realms that don't belong to my family, if there are, they won't exist for long.

[[MwaH] NeoStarr]

You might be getting some overlapping claims if you're landing all your nieces and nephews within your realm. Close family might respect partition but cousins are a different story. On top of that white peace usually gives a pressed claim to both sides and by forcing that you're giving everyones kids a reason to go to war as well. Try to hold absolute crown authority for a long reign (or two reigns if you can survive the inevitable liberty war). Get your dread up and force people into their du jures if you have to, then maintain this for 2 generations. The claims will eventually dry up and everyone will be left with their rightful titles. When they have titles but no claims they do a lot less fighting and a lot more building.

[Jeza]

Originally posted by MwaH NeoStarr:

You might be getting some overlapping claims if you're landing all your nieces and nephews within your realm. Close family might respect partition but cousins are a different story. On top of that white peace usually gives a pressed claim to both sides and by forcing that you're giving everyones kids a reason to go to war as well. Try to hold absolute crown authority for a long reign (or two reigns if you can survive the inevitable liberty war). Get your dread up and force people into their du jures if you have to, then maintain this for 2 generations. The claims will eventually dry up and everyone will be left with their rightful titles. When they have titles but no claims they do a lot less fighting and a lot more building.

thing is that it's not my direct vassals (dukes) that infight, I have a high enough crown authority that they're not able to. It's their own vassals (the counts) that do and I can't do anything about it no matter the crown authority I have.
I would let them eat each other but with the alliances they have from inter-marriage it's a bloodbath.
And most of the wars are not for a claim it's liberty wars or wars against tyranny so the counts (not my direct vassals) at war with my dukes.

My issue is not even with them finding so many reasons to fight, it's that even when I force a white peace they go back to fighting the same war just a couple of days later. Not years or even months, days.
And the ones that hate their liege for whatever reason hate him forever so someone in that situation that will reign over a county for say 30 years will launch maybe 2 wars per month for 30 years on average no matter that there is a truth.

[[MwaH] NeoStarr]

Originally posted by Jeza:

thing is that it's not my direct vassals (dukes) that infight, I have a high enough crown authority that they're not able to. It's their own vassals (the counts) that do and I can't do anything about it no matter the crown authority I have.
I would let them eat each other but with the alliances they have from inter-marriage it's a bloodbath.

♥♥♥♥ that you have ALL the authority! Retract vassals, replace them, give them back, give 0 ♥♥♥♥♥ about it. I mean there are definitely downsides to having 100 dread but when ♥♥♥♥ hits the fan you do what you gotta do and let your son apologize for it. If you're an independent liege than you've made it high enough up the tree that nobody can enforce you short of starting a war. Believe me when it's all over everyone whose still mad at you will be unlanded and anyone who matters will be happy you just gave them a vassal or county.