"Liege holds De Jure Duchy" -25 opinion

[J.Z]

I don't understand the reasoning behind this negative opinion modifier. My count hates me because I am his liege and holds a duchy title that includes his county. This duchy is my primary title. I don't understand it. Does he think he deserves it?

I found 5 of them have this modifier. 2 of them are arrogant and the other 2 are ambitious. I thought it was due to traits but then the last one has neither of these traits. I am confused now.

[NK SemTex]

He is jealous. Greedy/ambitious nobles always want more until they themselves become kings. That is why "content" vassals are the best. They rarely scheme against your or want more power and titles.

Look at their personality. If they are bold, treacherous villains, the chances are higher they will want more power and titles.

[brownacs]

If you don't own all of your duchies' counties when you're a King/Queen/Emperor/Empress then you get that opinion debuff with the counts/countesses.

[Peez Machine]

Every count wants to move up in the world. Usually that means overthrowing their duke and seizing the duchy for themselves. If the duke is a king or queen, then the count has no vertical mobility (since their liege is probably too strong to deal with at that point), and the opinion modifier represents their discontent at being stuck as a count.

[AlienWired]

There seems to be quite a few "things" in the game that are a bit to extreme in my opinion, this is one example.

The developers love to keep us on our toes with slight of hand elements like this and others so as to not keep us bored and to continuously "tilt" the wheel against the player to make the game more challenging.

[Сааребас]

Originally posted by AlienWired:

There seems to be quite a few "things" in the game that are a bit to extreme in my opinion, this is one example.

The developers love to keep us on our toes with slight of hand elements like this and others so as to not keep us bored and to continuously "tilt" the wheel against the player to make the game more challenging.

seriously dude.... you should create a series called: "Ancient developers"

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[J.Z]

Originally posted by NK SemTex:

He is jealous. Greedy/ambitious nobles always want more until they themselves become kings. That is why "content" vassals are the best. They rarely scheme against your or want more power and titles.

Look at their personality. If they are bold, treacherous villains, the chances are higher they will want more power and titles.

Lol, I guess I should educate their children to be more content

[J.Z]

Originally posted by brownacs:

If you don't own all of your duchies' counties when you're a King/Queen/Emperor/Empress then you get that opinion debuff with the counts/countesses.

Exactly my situation right now

[J.Z]

Thanks for answers

[brownacs]

Originally posted by <J.Z>:

Exactly my situation right now

Yup. The solution's to increase your domain limit so you can own all the counties or switch to smaller duchies (or live with it).

[CrUsHeR]

Well, if you are a King, and have any Count vassals without holding the associated Duchy, you get the "not de jure liege" penalty instead. Which directly cuts their tax contribution in half or worse.

And if you create all those duchy titles, you get the stacking "holds too many duchy titles" opinion instead.


Basically like being a real politician - no matter what you do, people will blame / complain / hate you for it

[ShepherdOfCats]

I wonder why they changed it from CK-2.

Pretty much forces you into revoking everything in your duchy after every succession (which if you do right away = insta-rebellion) or go Alexander the Great on other rulers to give out land to other heirs so that everything divides up nicely.

[CrUsHeR]

Originally posted by ShepherdOfCats:

I wonder why they changed it from CK-2.

Pretty much forces you into revoking everything in your duchy after every succession (which if you do right away = insta-rebellion) or go Alexander the Great on other rulers to give out land to other heirs so that everything divides up nicely.

If you provide a duchy for each of your extra sons, you never lose any counties inside your capital duchy.

You can also hold any number of counties outside of your capital duchy, as long as the duchy title does not exist. So let's say you rule England from Essex, you also could hold York and the surrounding counties infinitely. Just destroy the Duchy title.



The way this works:

1) Conquer land
2) Give the counties to random lowborns
3) For each extra son who would inherit any of YOUR titles, create exactly 1 duchy title

Basically just keep an eye on the "lost titles on succession" screen, as long as each son only gets 1 duchy, everything is in order. In case one would get 2 duchies, destroy one of them.

Under Confederate Partition you need to plan ahead when a son would inherit an entire kingdom, then the other sons cannot inherit duchy titles below that kingdom. In that case you need to diversify your expansion, so there always are spare duchies in an area which won't split off into a new kingdom.

[ShepherdOfCats]

Originally posted by CrUsHeR:

Originally posted by ShepherdOfCats:

I wonder why they changed it from CK-2.

Pretty much forces you into revoking everything in your duchy after every succession (which if you do right away = insta-rebellion) or go Alexander the Great on other rulers to give out land to other heirs so that everything divides up nicely.

If you provide a duchy for each of your extra sons, you never lose any counties inside your capital duchy.

You can also hold any number of counties outside of your capital duchy, as long as the duchy title does not exist. So let's say you rule England from Essex, you also could hold York and the surrounding counties infinitely. Just destroy the Duchy title.



The way this works:

1) Conquer land
2) Give the counties to random lowborns
3) For each extra son who would inherit any of YOUR titles, create exactly 1 duchy title

Basically just keep an eye on the "lost titles on succession" screen, as long as each son only gets 1 duchy, everything is in order. In case one would get 2 duchies, destroy one of them.

Under Confederate Partition you need to plan ahead when a son would inherit an entire kingdom, then the other sons cannot inherit duchy titles below that kingdom. In that case you need to diversify your expansion, so there always are spare duchies in an area which won't split off into a new kingdom.

Right. I know how it works and how to work around it. I just don't like being forced into world conquest to prevent the opinion loss. To get the most growth/conversion etc out of your capital duchy you need vassals in each county to be working on those tasks. But this mechanic punishes players for 'playing tall'.

What's funny is that you could revoke their titles and unless they become your rival because of it, in 10 years the opinion penalty for revocation goes away and they actually like you *more* because once they're landless they no longer desire your capital duchy. Seems kind of broken.

[Kvinden]

Originally posted by CrUsHeR:

Well, if you are a King, and have any Count vassals without holding the associated Duchy, you get the "not de jure liege" penalty instead. Which directly cuts their tax contribution in half or worse.

And if you create all those duchy titles, you get the stacking "holds too many duchy titles" opinion instead.


Basically like being a real politician - no matter what you do, people will blame / complain / hate you for it

Or like a game developper. No matter what you do, well, bad or nothing at all players will complain.