Lack of Slavery

[Merkatz]

Anyone else find the lack of Slavery in CK weird? I mean, I don't support slavery, but here we have a game set in a time period where everyone was slave trading. It was more than gold mines making Mansa Musa filthy rich. Amalfi wasn't just shipping manufactured goods off to North Africa. Verdun and Prague were Eunuch factories... and the only mention of slavery in game I have seen is when you raid as a viking and ship skilled slaves to the capital to increase developement.

Imperator has slaves, EU4 has the triangle trade. CK pretends it didn't exist.

[Merkatz]

Originally posted by RealDealBreaker:

It's more that that sort of thing is abstracted. You will note that there are no trade mechanics at all in the entire game, let alone the buying and selling of people.

True.

[Bordric]

There is no fish trading either, economy is pretty much in the background. It doesn't pretend it doesn't exist there is just no economy at that granular level. Close as you will get is field farms, hill farms and quarries etc.

[karthikram93]

Im pretty sure this will be a DLC eventually lol

[sfbistimg]

slaves are mentioned in a raiding event, you get choice to take slaves or take more loot.

[Merkatz]

Originally posted by karthikram93:

Im pretty sure this will be a DLC eventually lol

I mean, a trade focused dlc would be cool. Imagine you conquer and form Sicily and are making bank off the Amalfi slave trade... Then a 'Council of Koblenz event' fires and the Pope goes, "No more selling Christian slaves to non-Christian realms!"

[Shogun_Potatoe]

Simply put the pope outlawed slavery of Christians during this time period so unless you were constantly at war with non Christians the chance for cheap slaves wasnt there so until the authority of the pope fell near the start of the Renaissance and the sever dropvin population fromvthe black death there wasnt any need or want for slaves

[garthurbrown]

Originally posted by Shogun_Potatoe:

Simply put the pope outlawed slavery of Christians during this time period so unless you were constantly at war with non Christians the chance for cheap slaves wasnt there so until the authority of the pope fell near the start of the Renaissance and the sever dropvin population fromvthe black death there wasnt any need or want for slaves

... in Catholic Euorpe. Meanwhile, the East African slave trade was in full swing at that time, carrying African slaves to North Africa, Arabia, India, and the Far East.

[Merkatz]

Originally posted by garthurbrown:

Originally posted by Shogun_Potatoe:

Simply put the pope outlawed slavery of Christians during this time period so unless you were constantly at war with non Christians the chance for cheap slaves wasnt there so until the authority of the pope fell near the start of the Renaissance and the sever dropvin population fromvthe black death there wasnt any need or want for slaves

... in Catholic Euorpe. Meanwhile, the East African slave trade was in full swing at that time, carrying African slaves to North Africa, Arabia, India, and the Far East.

There are also examples of slavery in Europe up to the early 1100's and it persisted in Spain and Portugal up to the Age of Discovery.

[JBrown247]

too woke for anything like that now days. Wait until EU5 has no slavery.

[TasteDasRainbow]

Aside from the general nature of abstraction of these mechanics, Paradox tends away from representing things like slavery, genocide, etc. as direct mechanics.

[Goose]

Originally posted by TasteDasRainbow:

Aside from the general nature of abstraction of these mechanics, Paradox tends away from representing things like slavery, genocide, etc. as direct mechanics.

Ethnically cleansing the Balkans is the only thing that makes this game worth playing :/

[The Former]

Not everyone was slave trading. Most of Europe at this time was content with serfdom, which required no trading of persons, just acquisition of land.

I suppose the best way to put it is... They don't represent slavery the same way they don't represent the rich spice trade coming out of Tamil, or the silk trade from east to west. The economy is represented in very broad strokes by the amount of gold one is generating. The specifics are left to the imagination.

One might presume, for instance, that a Callous North African or Persian lord with 28 Stewardship breathed new life into the slave trade during his reign and profited immensely from it. Likewise, one might presume that a Greedy Norse pagan who raids often most likely brings back a lot of slaves for sale to other Norsemen from his raids.

[Gunsaremagic]

no one called u racist its a game i dont give a ♥♥♥♥ if its slaves or harvested organs from babies

[Flybox]

If you play in Africa, there is an event that fires there that makes direct mention of the slave trade, as well.

[MatthewZ]

Adding more economic components, ala EUIV would be an interesting addition, but I don't think its part of their road map for this game. EUV will definitely have it though.