Question about lovers and great pox.

[Illusion17]

So I encountered great pox for the first time on my player character and have been left a bit confused. It's pretty clear that lovers pox is herpes and great pox is syphalis. However, that's where my confusion comes from. When you get great pox, your lovers pox disappears. How can that happen? Herpes is caused by a virus whereas syphalis is caused by bacteria. The only thing that I can think of is that your character mistakes the great pox for lovers pox during the initial stages. That being said, herpes and syphalis sores are pretty different even in the initial stages.

[Kapika96]

Originally posted by Illusion17:

That being said, herpes and syphalis sores are pretty different even in the initial stages.

umm... please tell me you're not speaking from experience :P

[Illusion17]

Originally posted by Kapika96:

Originally posted by Illusion17:

That being said, herpes and syphalis sores are pretty different even in the initial stages.

umm... please tell me you're not speaking from experience :P

There's this magical thing that allows people to ask questions they have and get instant answers. I googled the difference between them and it's pretty big.

[brownacs]

Is the greatpox syphilis in this game? I always assumed it was smallpox. (Not that smallpox cures herpes but still)
EDIT: Isn't syphilis the one which was probably brought back from the Americas in the 15th century?
EDIT 2: Aaaand I just looked it up and apparently there is also a smallpox trait. Damn my excellent physicians and lack of general experience with the illnesses. Another thing to add to the 'ahistorical as hell' list.

[Illusion17]

Originally posted by brownacs:

Is the greatpox syphilis in this game? I always assumed it was smallpox. (Not that smallpox cures herpes but still)
EDIT: Isn't syphilis the one which was probably brought back from the Americas in the 15th century?
EDIT 2: Aaaand I just looked it up and apparently there is also a smallpox trait. Damn my excellent physicians and lack of general experience with the illnesses. Another thing to add to the 'ahistorical as hell' list.

Yeah, the only thing I found when looking my question up was people complaining about it being ahistorical. They mentioned the same thing you did that it shouldn't even be in the game.

[brownacs]

Originally posted by Illusion17:

Yeah, the only thing I found when looking my question up was people complaining about it being ahistorical. They mentioned the same thing you did that it shouldn't even be in the game.

The ahistorical as hell list is not a short one. To be fair to them, I think syphilis might be a bit more complicated than that. I think the current theory is that there were multiple strains of the disease and the really virulent, lethal one, was taken to the Americas millennia ago and then brought back with Columbus.

[R.T.]

The lover's pox is called early_great_pox in console, it's a game bro.
So if the character has the lover's pox, it will become the great pox during the game progress.

[brownacs]

Originally posted by R.T.:

The lover's pox is called early_great_pox in console, it's a game bro.
So if the character has the lover's pox, it will become the great pox during the game progress.

Really? So herpes turns into syphilis... well... ♥♥♥♥. There goes my future. Syphilis is curable, right?

[R.T.]

Originally posted by brownacs:

Originally posted by R.T.:

The lover's pox is called early_great_pox in console, it's a game bro.
So if the character has the lover's pox, it will become the great pox during the game progress.

Really? So herpes turns into syphilis... well... ♥♥♥♥. There goes my future. Syphilis is curable, right?

check this
https://ck3.paradoxwikis.com/Console_commands#Trait_IDs
ctrl+f for ‘early_great_pox’

and this
https://ck3.paradoxwikis.com/Decisions
ctrl+f for ‘Visit a Brothel‘

if the character has the rakish trait (stress event), it has 20% chance to have lovers pox, 5% for great pox when they visit the brothel.

[brownacs]

Originally posted by R.T.:

check this
https://ck3.paradoxwikis.com/Console_commands#Trait_IDs
ctrl+f for ‘early_great_pox’

and this
https://ck3.paradoxwikis.com/Decisions
ctrl+f for ‘Visit a Brothel‘

if the character has the rakish trait (stress event), it has 20% chance to have lovers pox, 5% for great pox when they visit the brothel.

Yeah I was joking about my (fake... well I probably have the oral version but so does anyone who's kissed like 3 other people in their lives) real life herpes turning into syphilis.

[The Former]

I don't think lover's pox is herpes. Syphilis presents itself in stages, and I believe lover's pox vs. great pox is meant to represent the variances in severity.

[Archonis]

The term "pox" then was more in reference to a disease that would attack the flesh and leave pustules and scarring. The lover's pox is usually considered what were would called herpes today.

It can be more deadly then as the disease could cause infections and limited anti-botics then. Not like the super effective cure like we have today with penicillin.

[Team Triss]

Originally posted by Lockfågel, the Paradox Knight:

I don't think lover's pox is herpes. Syphilis presents itself in stages, and I believe lover's pox vs. great pox is meant to represent the variances in severity.

See, I was sure that Lover's Pox was herpes, but wasn't sure that Great Pox was syphilis. I figured it was just really bad herpes.

[Kvinden]

I don't know what is lovers pox exactly but by the description it doesn't look like herpes.
more like lymphogranuloma inguinale ( Durand-Nicolas-Favre disease)

Obviously "great" pox is syphilis. It has always been called like that, great pox or simply pox, napolitan disease etc. though it didn't exist at the time of the game. Or maybe it existed but not by that name.

But the lover pox could also be a syphilis. Like tuberculosis it can take several forms

[PintSizedNuke]

I think lovers pox is the initial signs of syphilis. Then becomes the great pox if the character lives long enough which is the late stage syphilis. Maybe lovers pox is Herpes simplex 2, but since great pox removes lovers pox it makes sense for it to both be syphilis. Could also be that great pox is so bad it covers up the lovers pox and removes the debuff replacing it with its own. Ig someone would have to get lovers pox then take a pledge of chastity in order to determine if great pox still occurs.

[jpcerutti]

Originally posted by PintSizedNuke:

I think lovers pox is the initial signs of syphilis. Then becomes the great pox if the character lives long enough which is the late stage syphilis. Maybe lovers pox is Herpes simplex 2, but since great pox removes lovers pox it makes sense for it to both be syphilis. Could also be that great pox is so bad it covers up the lovers pox and removes the debuff replacing it with its own. Ig someone would have to get lovers pox then take a pledge of chastity in order to determine if great pox still occurs.

It adds to the confusion that 'great pox' will often initially present in game as lover's pox, if it is not part of a plague, but RNG giving somebody great pox.

Not sure why they did what they did in game with the diseases, but I believe it is probably supposed to be a play on not understanding diseases and that they often called all sorts of individual diseases by single groups in their 'lack of understanding' of the differences and what caused them.

If you investigate them with edit/debug you can 'cure' both lover's pox and great pox with a command. You cannot cure the 'pre-great pox' lover's pox with a command - UNTIL it becomes great pox. Then it is a removable by command trait.