Matrilineal Marriage Issue

[Heraclius Caesar]

I've experienced this a couple times now in recent campaigns and wanted to see if it's happened to anyone else here.

Basically, it goes like this:

Chose a daughter/sister of current ruler and married her matrilineally to an AI ruler.

Sometimes they end up having some kids of my dynasty, sometimes they remain childless, until suddenly, the female relative gets a divorce from the AI ruler, only to immediately remarry him but as a regular marriage.

The female relative appears to be the 1 ending the matrilineal marriage and replacing it with a regular marriage. I'm at a loss as to why they're doing this, since if it is the female dynast doing it (which it has been in a previous campaign) then the action is disadvantageous to them and to their dynasty.

I do and did have the community flavor pack mod running in each case that this has happened, but I'm unsure if that would even cause such a thing.

Has anyone else experienced this?

Edit: Since some members of this forum can't help themselves and feel compelled to chime in unnecessarily, please understand the point of this thread is Not to seek any sort of "advice" or "help." I'm just trying to see if anyone else here has had this experience. Thank you.

[[MwaH] NeoStarr]

Double prestige gain, two weddings, and children of their own dynasty for a small piety cost. It's actually a great idea; I'm gonna start doing it.

[Heraclius Caesar]

Originally posted by MwaH NeoStarr:

Double prestige gain, two weddings, and children of their own dynasty for a small piety cost. It's actually a great idea; I'm gonna start doing it.

? Cool, so I'm guessing you haven't experienced what I'm talking about and how it negates you even choosing a matrilineal marriage for female members of your dynasty. Thanks for your input.

[Snowieken]

Originally posted by Heraclius Caesar:

Originally posted by MwaH NeoStarr:

Double prestige gain, two weddings, and children of their own dynasty for a small piety cost. It's actually a great idea; I'm gonna start doing it.

? Cool, so I'm guessing you haven't experienced what I'm talking about and how it negates you even choosing a matrilineal marriage for female members of your dynasty. Thanks for your input.

He is trying to explain the AI's thinking, what they did.

I haven't exactly experienced what you experienced myself, but I am guessing it is because you're marrying matrilineally to a ruler. You're far better off marrying matrilineally to a brother or something, someone with a claim on the title you want, but not the title holder himself, as he has more to gain by keeping the title in his dynasty and getting a divorce is well worth that.

Usually, when arranging a marriage, the matrilineal option has a -900 somewhat penalty to acceptance when trying to matrilineally marry to a ruler or a primary heir, so I'm somewhat surprised the marriage would be accepted in the first place.

[Heraclius Caesar]

Originally posted by Snowieken:

Originally posted by Heraclius Caesar:

? Cool, so I'm guessing you haven't experienced what I'm talking about and how it negates you even choosing a matrilineal marriage for female members of your dynasty. Thanks for your input.

He is trying to explain the AI's thinking, what they did.

I haven't exactly experienced what you experienced myself, but I am guessing it is because you're marrying matrilineally to a ruler. I am surprised the marriage was accepted in the first place. You're far better off marrying matrilineally to a brother or something, someone with a claim on the title you want, but not the title holder himself, as he has more to gain by keeping the title in his dynasty and getting a divorce is well worth that.

Usually, when arranging a marriage, the matrilineal option has a -900 somewhat penalty to acceptance when trying to matrilineally marry to a ruler or a primary heir.

I'm not sure why you would be surprised? It happens fairly often in game and isn't hard to do.

The matrilineal marriage was already accepted and was ongoing for years, so whether you're surprised by it or want to talk about the possibility of acceptance or whatever else isn't relevant here or to me.

Buddy, I wasn't looking for your explanations of what someone else said or your attempt to explain something in this game to me, nor do I need you to tell me what I'm better off doing - I know what I'm doing when it comes to this game. I was looking to see if anyone else experienced what I have experienced, an annoying thing that shouldn't be happening, which makes selecting a matrilineal marriage for a female member of your dynasty pointless, useless. Since you say you haven't experienced it, I'm not sure why you even bothered to post a comment here.

[[MwaH] NeoStarr]

Similar things have happened to me before; I just didn't really think much about it at the time. It was very late game so I had quite a bit of splendor and was able to secure matrilineal marriages pretty high up other the lines of succession for other kingdoms; often the second in line. I would kill anyone above them to get them out of the way. It typically ended with the person who gained the title murdering my kin, unless she already had kids of my dynasty. Then they would try to kill all the kids but have a much harder time succeeding at it. Eventually I stopped running murder schemes until she had a few heirs (and run seduction schemes instead to speed up the process). They never actually went the divorce route on my run; but I imagine that strategy would still cockblock them if they tried.

[Snowieken]

Sheesh, having a chip on your shoulder much? Was just trying to help there, "buddy", but glad you don't need any other input since apparently you know what you're doing.
Rest assured, if I knew you basically wanted people to reply with just "yes" or "no", I wouldn't have bothered.

[Heraclius Caesar]

Originally posted by Snowieken:

Sheesh, having a chip on your shoulder much? Was just trying to help there, "buddy", but glad you don't need any other input since apparently you know what you're doing.
Rest assured, if I knew you basically wanted people to reply with just "yes" or "no", I wouldn't have bothered.

Look at what you said:

"I am surprised the marriage was accepted in the first place"

"You're far better off marrying matrilineally to a brother or something"

"Usually, when arranging a marriage, the matrilineal option has a -900 somewhat penalty to acceptance when trying to matrilineally marry to a ruler or a primary heir"

None of this information was necessary or asked for. I had already secured the matrilineal marriage. I was asking if anyone else here has experienced what I've experienced. If you want to have an attitude about your unnecessary post being called out for being unnecessary, go for it.

You're right, I don't require your input or help - that's not what I was asking for. Again, I was asking if anyone else here has experienced this situation.

I'm guessing it was you that hit me up with that jester award. Thanks for the points. I'll be sure to send that back over to you promptly - it's certainly well earned.

In response to your edit: cool, again, wasn't asking for your "help" or input when I already secured the matrilineal marriage. My first post makes it fairly clear that I'm simply asking if anyone else has experienced this situation, considering I say this both at the beginning and the end of that post.

[[MwaH] NeoStarr]

Was me who gave you the jester.

[Heraclius Caesar]

Originally posted by MwaH NeoStarr:

Was me who gave you the jester. :tgrin:

Cool, I'll be sure to send that back to you then, as you also have earned it for your useless, unnecessary responses here, and elsewhere. Funny how when you get dunked on and told that your post was essentially useless, your only recourse is to give a clown award. Whatever. Why either of you bothered to respond when you haven't experienced the issue is beyond me, but you do you.

[Kvinden]

It never happends to me. intempestive changes of culture and religion each week but never divorce and remarriage.
But in this game nothing wrong could surprise me anymore.

There is a workaround. If you reform the religion you can forbid divorce.

Of course I understand if I let the AI decide a landless girl will not marry a ruler in matrilinear way or will try to fix what it wrongly considers like an error when it is a strategic choice from the player. It simply never happened to me.

The problem is not only with matrilinear marriages. Once the heir of the empire with no title yet married the queen of Novgorod in matrilinear, breaking the continuity of the dynasty. The children and heirs of the future emperor were from the novgorodian dynasty, not mine. He never divorced, though. He only made initially an awfully game breaking wrong choice.

You can always re-divorce her and re-re marry her in matrilinear. Too bad for the children born during the second marriage but if there is something too abundant in this game is is the children, lose 10 or 12 has no importance, there are much more where those came from.
This mean of course chamge the playable character to your female relative for the time to divorce and remarry her again. It can be complicated because to be made playable she needs a title. This is if you didn't mess with the rules by forbidding giving titles to females. The default rules are stupid anyway.

But in my opinion you could report it as a bug. The AI should not do this autonomously with the player's dynasty members. But don't expect too much

[Snowieken]

Well, sorry to add another "unnecessary post" then, but your semi-hostile answer to a post where I was genuinely trying to help caught me off-guard. I am sorry if I somehow insulted your vast knowledge of this game by mistaking your original post as a genuine question as to what may have happened and why the AI acted that way.

And while we are on the subject of unnecessary posts, no, I didn't give you the jester award.

EDIT: So basically, I got a freebie. Woot.

EDIT 2: A simple 'yes" or "no" would have been enough, Kvinden. Sheesh, all those people giving unsollicited advice here.

[Heraclius Caesar]

Originally posted by Kvinden:

It never happends to me. intempestive changes of culture and religion each week but never divorce and remarriage.
But in this game nothing wrong could surprise me anymore.

There is a workaround. If you reform the religion you can forbid divorce.

Of course I understand if I let the AI decide a landless girl will not marry a ruler in matrilinear way or will try to fix what it wrongly considers like an error when it is a strategic choice from the player.

The problem is not only with matrilinear marriages. Once the heir of the empire with no title yet married the queen of Novgorod in matrilinear, breaking the continuity of the dynasty. The children and heirs of the future emperor were from the novgorodian dynasty, not mine. He never divorced, though. He only made initially an awfully game breaking wrong choice.

You can always re-divorce her and re-re marry her in matrilinear. Too bad for the children born during the second marriage but if there is something too abundant in this game is is the children, lose 10 or 12 has no importance, there are much more where those came from.
THis mean of course chamge the playable character for the time to divorce and remarry, possibly giving your female relative a title to make her playable. This is if you didn't mess with the rules by forbidding giving titles to females. The default rules are stupid anyway.

But in my opinion you could report it as a bug. The AI should not do this autonomously with the player's dynasty members. But don't expect too much

Hmmm. Ok.

[Heraclius Caesar]

Originally posted by Snowieken:

Well, sorry to add another "unnecessary post" then, but your semi-hostile answer to a post where I was genuinely trying to help caught me off-guard. I am sorry if I somehow insulted your vast knowledge of this game by mistaking your original post as a genuine question as to what may have happened and why the AI acted that way.

And while we are on the subject of unnecessary posts, no, I didn't give you the jester award.

EDIT: So basically, I got a freebie. Woot.

[Snowieken]

Man, I was really biting my tongue but I just can't resist further replying, namely to this:

Originally posted by Heraclius Caesar:

an annoying thing that shouldn't be happening, which makes selecting a matrilineal marriage for a female member of your dynasty pointless, useless.

Getting easy land by trying to marry a ruler or direct heir matrilineally is not easily done, true, but matrilineal marriages are still useful to ensure a good continuation of your dynasty. That, or get some decently skilled people in your court by marrying your female courtiers to them.

Maybe in your original situation, is it somehow possible that the character you married your dynasty member matrilineally to suddenly became one of the only options to continue his own dynasty? That could have prompted them to seek the divorce.

Granted, I'm not considering that in this case, you should have been notified of the change and the AI shouldn't be able to just change it without your consent and that is probably why you are wondering about it, but please don't get your panties in a bunch again. Only so much jesters and superstars laying around.

[Heraclius Caesar]

Originally posted by Snowieken:

Man, I was really biting my tongue but I just can't resist further replying, namely to this:

Originally posted by Heraclius Caesar:

an annoying thing that shouldn't be happening, which makes selecting a matrilineal marriage for a female member of your dynasty pointless, useless.

Getting easy land by trying to marry a ruler or direct heir matrilineally is not easily done, true, but matrilineal marriages are still useful to ensure a good continuation of your dynasty. That, or get some decently skilled people in your court by marrying your female courtiers to them.

Maybe in your original situation, is it somehow possible that the character you married your dynasty member matrilineally to suddenly became one of the only options to continue his own dynasty? That could have prompted them to seek the divorce.

Granted, I'm not considering that in this case, you should have been notified of the change and the AI shouldn't be able to just change it without your consent and that is probably why you are wondering about it, but please don't get your panties in a bunch again. Only so much jesters and superstars laying around.

Your response to that clip of text - not sure why you would need to bite your tongue for that or why you think your response there is somehow a flex. It actually is easily done, I've done it plenty of times, and you seem to be going out of your way to miss the point of that clip of text, which is that the AI doing what it did in the situation I described negates the point of even having the option for matrilineal marriages in game, since the AI has the potential to just undo it and opt for a regular marriage anyway.

"...suddenly became one of the only options to continue his own dynasty..." Possible, but unlikely - that character had 2 brothers that were both landed at the time and at least a sister or 2.

I'm not the 1 wearing panties here, nor am I upset. It's somewhat of an annoyance though when you ask the forum if they've had the experience you've had, and randoms who haven't had the experience decide to chime in with unnecessary, irrelevant information and comments.