Cause of no 'invite to court' option?

[someblk]

Just wondering what can cause the 'invite to court' option to not be displayed at all on the right click menu of a character?

I've got somebody I'd like to invite, adult (38/male), unlanded, within diplomatic range as I do have options like sway, send gift, offer ward, etc, available.

The option is simply not in the menu at all (eg I'm not saying it's greyed out, and I'm not saying he won't accept, it's simply not even in the menu).

What conditions might cause this to happen?

EDIT: Also he is not a vassal and does not hold any council role in his current location. It simply says he is 'visiting' the court where he is currently located.

[Zero, Dark Knight]

You can still invite people to court if you have legitimate ties with them, or hooks.

I.E - Your sister married off to someone in another court. Husband dies. No children.
- Sister will join your court again.

As for what might cause them to not even allow you to ask? No idea. Incapable in some form? Prison/strong hook from their own host or some such?

Maybe a religious trait of your faith... or theirs?

If you pin the characters you find which aren't allowing you to invite, and then look through them all once you've gotten a sample size (say 4-5 people.) Look for traits, personality typing, religion, culture, jobs, family houses, anything in common.

There's also the possibility of course that it's a bug.

- I do know that a host/liege who has the learning focus tree gets the event to 'save life' of guests and leads to strong hook... would you check if their host of this specific guest is learning focus ? if so that may explain it. - I suppose... partly?

[billy]

out of curiosity , if you activate the console can you right click and 'invite' them with the 'add to court'?

[someblk]

Originally posted by Zero, Dark Knight:

You can still invite people to court if you have As for what might cause them to not even allow you to ask? No idea. Incapable in some form? Prison/strong hook from their own host or some such?

Don't see any traits that make them 'incapable'. Don't know about hooks from elsewhere as I don't think we can see that info anywhere.

Originally posted by Zero, Dark Knight:

Maybe a religious trait of your faith... or theirs?

Both Coptic (him and me), and I can invite other people without issue.

Originally posted by Zero, Dark Knight:

If you pin the characters you find which aren't allowing you to invite, and then look through them all once you've gotten a sample size (say 4-5 people.)

He's the only one I've seen like this, although tbf it's not something I often look for, I don't invite too many people.

Originally posted by Zero, Dark Knight:

There's also the possibility of course that it's a bug.

Possible. Also possible there's a perfectly good explanation. That's what I'd been hoping to find out here :)

Originally posted by Zero, Dark Knight:

- I do know that a host/liege who has the learning focus tree gets the event to 'save life' of guests and leads to strong hook... would you check if their host of this specific guest is learning focus ? if so that may explain it. - I suppose... partly?

Liege is intrigue focused. He has nothing unlocked in his tree though (he's only 19).

[someblk]

Originally posted by billy:

out of curiosity , if you activate the console can you right click and 'invite' them with the 'add to court'?

Sorry I'm in ironman so can't use the console.

[CrUsHeR]

My guess is that he is visting that court for some kind of activity, like a feast or tutoring.

Otherwise the only other option is that he already is your courtier.

[someblk]

Originally posted by CrUsHeR:

My guess is that he is visting that court for some kind of activity, like a feast or tutoring.

Otherwise the only other option is that he already is your courtier.

A lot of time has passed (at least half a year) so any activity would be over by now.

He's not and (as far as I'm aware) has never been my courtier. If he were he would have options such as 'dismiss' and 'appoint as court physician', which he doesn't... And they do have those when they're your own courtiers but somehow in another court, as I used them to solve a previous absent wife issue.

The weird thing though is what I mentioned earlier that it describes him as 'visiting' the court (not as a guest, a courtier, or anything else)... That does fit with your theory about an activity. Maybe something bugged out after he attended a feast or hunt?

[someblk]

Here's a screen along with available menu items:

https://imgur.com/a/yXqoJ6J

[Twelvefield]

What happens when you use Got To Character? Maybe he was in diplomatic range when you found him but now he is not....? He doesn't look all that great, just some plug. But since you can't have him, of course you'd ransom your kingdom to get him into your court.

[someblk]

I just figured it out, now I clicked on his relationships tab... He has 2 wards!

EDIT: That also explains why he's visiting too, as my own courtiers have done that for rulers' kids when I've had them be wards to them; they've gone to the other court.

[someblk]

Originally posted by Twelvefield:

What happens when you use Got To Character? Maybe he was in diplomatic range when you found him but now he is not....? He doesn't look all that great, just some plug. But since you can't have him, of course you'd ransom your kingdom to get him into your court.

I didn't really want him that badly :) I just noticed the oddity and it was bugging me trying to figure out what was 'wrong'; I prefer puzzles to be solved! Relieved now I know, plus it's more game knowledge for the future.

[Twelvefield]

I'm glad you figured it out. Being not much of a "people person" in real life and in the game, I would consider it a personal favour if when you can, you arrest the fellow and have him tortured.

[CrUsHeR]

Originally posted by someblk:

I just figured it out, now I clicked on his relationships tab... He has 2 wards!

EDIT: That also explains why he's visiting too, as my own courtiers have done that for rulers' kids when I've had them be wards to them; they've gone to the other court.

Yeah that's also what i wrote above, tutoring.

Had something similar where both reasons for a missing invite button are combined.

Made my wife the educator of a vassal's son, but didn't realize that this would send her to the vassal's court. Even after removing her ward, she was stuck for many years where she was not available to do her spouse job. And because she technically was my courtier, there also was no invite button.

[someblk]

Originally posted by CrUsHeR:

Originally posted by someblk:

I just figured it out, now I clicked on his relationships tab... He has 2 wards!

EDIT: That also explains why he's visiting too, as my own courtiers have done that for rulers' kids when I've had them be wards to them; they've gone to the other court.

Yeah that's also what i wrote above, tutoring.

Had something similar where both reasons for a missing invite button are combined.

Made my wife the educator of a vassal's son, but didn't realize that this would send her to the vassal's court. Even after removing her ward, she was stuck for many years where she was not available to do her spouse job. And because she technically was my courtier, there also was no invite button.

Fair enough.. When you said activity my head immediately went to things the game labels as activities, like feasts and hunts.

That wife problem if you get it again is fixable, or at least I was able to fix it previously after trying a few things. The one definite requirement is her still being seen as your courtier, even though she's physically located elsewhere, but in short how I fixed it:
1. Assign as physician (needed for step 3 option to become available).
2. Fabricate hook.
3. Dismiss from court.
4. Use hook to invite back to court.

Order of steps 2 and 3 is important as when I tried the dismissal first, she went to some random different court then I was getting told I couldn't fabricate hooks at that court (even though I could do it on others in the same court).