Let us convert the Mecca Mosque to a Cathedral.

[Tethryss]

As it stands now, Hagia Sophia can be made a mosque.
So let us turn the Meccan Mosque into a cathedral and thus the slot isn't useless.

[Razorblade]

That doesn't really make sense, though. The only reason to go to some city in the middle of the desert is religious significance, and Christians have no attachment to Mecca. A big cathedral only makes you money if people have a reason to go there.

[UnCivilServant]

Let us convert any special building.

In fact, I miss a lot of the features of the CK2 great works system (though even that had annoying locks on buildings we should be able to repurpose)

[EA Latium]

I totally agree.

[CrUsHeR]

Convertible Hagia Sophia is very obviously for historical gameplay reasons.

There's even a Sultanate of Rum and the Ottoman Turks as kingdom titles in the game files, although you can't form them (yet).

https://ck3.paradoxwikis.com/List_of_kingdoms

[Das Boot]

Originally posted by Razorblade:

That doesn't really make sense, though. The only reason to go to some city in the middle of the desert is religious significance, and Christians have no attachment to Mecca. A big cathedral only makes you money if people have a reason to go there.

If crusaders conquered Mecca then they'd want to do something to the Mecca Mosque to stick their tongues out at the Muslim world. Apart from burning the building to the ground, turning it into a Christian place of worship would accomplish this goal.

Speaking of which, I wish there was a way to turn the Hagia Sophia into a Catholic place of worship. I had a game where I converted to Catholicism as a Byzantine emperor and this giant christian church consequently started gathering dust.

[Tethryss]

Originally posted by Razorblade:

That doesn't really make sense, though. The only reason to go to some city in the middle of the desert is religious significance, and Christians have no attachment to Mecca. A big cathedral only makes you money if people have a reason to go there.

It didn't make sense to convert Hagia Sophia, and you CANNOT as a christian use the Meccan Mosque for anything, its literally just there.

[Tethryss]

Originally posted by CrUsHeR:

Convertible Hagia Sophia is very obviously for historical gameplay reasons.

There's even a Sultanate of Rum and the Ottoman Turks as kingdom titles in the game files, although you can't form them (yet).

https://ck3.paradoxwikis.com/List_of_kingdoms

1453 is the end date.
But because you are Christian you cannot actually obtain any benefit from owning Mecca.

[Tethryss]

Originally posted by Das Boot:

Originally posted by Razorblade:

That doesn't really make sense, though. The only reason to go to some city in the middle of the desert is religious significance, and Christians have no attachment to Mecca. A big cathedral only makes you money if people have a reason to go there.

If crusaders conquered Mecca then they'd want to do something to the Mecca Mosque to stick their tongues out at the Muslim world. Apart from burning the building to the ground, turning it into a Christian place of worship would accomplish this goal.

Speaking of which, I wish there was a way to turn the Hagia Sophia into a Catholic place of worship. I had a game where I converted to Catholicism as a Byzantine emperor and this giant christian church consequently started gathering dust.

Orthodoxy and Catholicism are nearly identical with a few key differences.

[Khorne Flakes]

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[CrUsHeR]

Originally posted by Peroxide:

1453 is the end date.

But because you are Christian you cannot actually obtain any benefit from owning Mecca.

So what?

For example, the Archduchy of Austria was founded in 1453, but there is a decision to form it at any date in CK3.

https://ck3.paradoxwikis.com/Decisions


Mecca has no meaning to anyone who isn't muslim. It was not a metropolis like Cairo, Baghdad and such. The fundamentalist and xenophobic catholics would likely have destroyed it.

The Hagia Sofia obviously impressed the Osmans because it was the world's largest building of its kind. Besides being located in Constantinople.

[M82]

We should be able to burn it down, as there is NO way the Christians in the 11th century would allow a Muslim holy site to stay intact. However I don't think it'd become a cathedral, because no Christian would bother going there unless you convert the local populace to Christian

[EA Latium]

I guess we can all agree that we may need at least a gameplay option, as it's very likely that many players will conquer it through the Empire of the Outremer or similar campaigns.

[Zero, Dark Knight]

Originally posted by Razorblade:

That doesn't really make sense, though. The only reason to go to some city in the middle of the desert is religious significance, and Christians have no attachment to Mecca. A big cathedral only makes you money if people have a reason to go there.

Since when is this a historically accurate time line beyond the very starting second, where it's paused?

[Razorblade]

Originally posted by Zero, Dark Knight:

Originally posted by Razorblade:

That doesn't really make sense, though. The only reason to go to some city in the middle of the desert is religious significance, and Christians have no attachment to Mecca. A big cathedral only makes you money if people have a reason to go there.

Since when is this a historically accurate time line beyond the very starting second, where it's paused?

It's not about historical accuracy, it's about plausibility. Mecca is not holy to Christians, and so they would never visit a grand Cathedral there.

I guess if you want, Paradox could let you create a grand church there that costs you 10 income per turn in maintenance since no one ever visits it, but something tells me that's not what you're asking for.

[EA Latium]

I do agree with what you are saying Razor, but to be fair neither the Hagia Sofia was important to Islam before. I'm of the opinion that it should have some effects of some sort if taken, it's such an important location that would be bound to have at least an impact.

Obviously didn't happen in history so it's harder to imagine something that makes real sense.