"Mother of us All" Achievement , Any Tips?

[Elenjo [Ger]]

I tryed this achievement so many times, but i cant get a good run.
Does someone have this Achievement and has any tips to do it?

[MrT]

I just got it. A few things I learnt from my run:

• Stay tribal as long as possible. I went from 70k troops to 17k after switching
  
• A good chunk of my conversions came from releasing prisoners with a weak hook and the right religion assigning them to the county and asking for conversion with a hook
  
• If you convert this way, be careful with your new religion male/female preference, you get far more male prisoners than female ...
  
• If you have all your vassals with your new religion you don't particularly need to have conversion-resistance Tenets
  
• There are tiny islands to the west (3 counties) that belong to Africa ... I realized I forgot the northest one ...
  
• Towards the end even with up to 60 vassals, you need to give away kingdom titles to get rid of vassals be very very careful to whom you give them, I almost lost the game whereas I was only a few counties away from uniting Africa

Good Luck

[Elenjo [Ger]]

okay

The problem was for me that my heir or my vassals gone in factions to split my imperium or just wanted the title.

the religion part isnt that hard for me, its the uniting Africa Part

[MrT]

To avoid this, I do the typical:

• keep a handful of non-Bori prisoners and execute them when you switch to a new ruler until your dread is at 100
  
• work on hooks immediately (find secrets at your court)
  
• always keep enough gold to hire 5-6k mercenaries (2k gold should be sufficient)
  
• worst case force a revolt when your ruler is old or about to die but still strong (revoke or better imprison everything and everyone) then if you win all your revolting vassals will be imprisoned and cannot join factions (not sure if it carries over to the new ruler) then they can not revolt

Note: with up to 60 vassals, I take care to only have a lot of vassals with low military power => it costs a lot of money to convert them all and my family don't get the lion's share of counties but that seems to have prevented a lot of revolts until I got almost screwed towards the end game

[Elenjo [Ger]]

that with the dread is a good tip. i ll try this one.

dont you have a lot of powerful Vassals when you have 60?

In my best run i got 2 Imperium Titles and my vassals (around 6 or 7 kingdoms) were so splitted around my land that i thought they go more against each other than others outside my land

[MrT]

I read you have 450 counties for 7 empires in Africa so with 2 Empires you have 120-150 counties if you split it equally you have 2 per vassals, so no powerful vassals. Basically in my case I managed to have only one heir for 150 years, which allowed me to keep all kingdom titles until halfway through the conquest and I had to given them away creating too powerful vassals.

And btw, never create a second empire title, it is a recipe for disaster in case you have more than 1 heir (you need to have partition asap when close to be able to form a 2nd empire). Confederate partition will force the creation of a new empire whereas simple partition will prevent that

[Elenjo [Ger]]

i didnt created that title, it created when i died and it got created.

so you didnt had any kingdoms under you?
the thing i saw, the kingdoms under you go to war with someone out of your Empire, so i created them, especially to have fewer vassals, but they spread my imperium.

where and what is that partition?
I m not good in English especially in games ^^

[MrT]

OK, I am unsure if you do not know the inheritance concept in the game or if it is only the English. If yes, sorry for rehashing, if no, you may find it useful

Partition is one of the succession law. There are 6 ranging from confederate partition to ultimogeniture. This is the most important aspect of the succession game.
Basically you start with confederate partition, meaning your titles are divided among your children AND if you do not have a number of highest rank titles equal to the number of heirs, the game will automatically create more if you met the requirements (meaning if you have enough land for a 2nd empire title it will create it and give it to your second heir).

Hence, if you have more than one heir, you want to switch to partition law (unlocked through one of the research) so it still divides your title but does not create an additional title.

The target is of course primogeniture (oldest heir inherits ALL), but it can only be unlocked through research around AD1100-1200

paradox wiki [ck3.paradoxwikis.com]

What you want to ensure to keep your Realm together is that there is only 1 highest rank title (You can have multiple kingdoms as long as you have 1 Empire title, but only 1 Kingodm if no Empire title)

[Tarshaid]

Originally posted by Elenjo Ger:

i didnt created that title, it created when i died and it got created.

so you didnt had any kingdoms under you?
the thing i saw, the kingdoms under you go to war with someone out of your Empire, so i created them, especially to have fewer vassals, but they spread my imperium.

where and what is that partition?
I m not good in English especially in games ^^

You have to become feudal for that, it's a succession rule.
As tribal, you only get confederate partition, which splits the titles between your heirs and create new titles (empire, kingdom, duchy) of equal rank for them if it can.
Example: if you have one kingdom title and could create a second kingdom, confederate partition will create it automatically once you die and give it to your second heir. Same thing if you're a duke with enough land for 2 duchies or an emperor with enough land for two empires.

The rule "partition" still splits the titles between your heirs, but it doesn't create new titles, so if you rule over two empires, but only have one empire title, your primary heir will inherit the empire, and the other heirs will only inherit titles you already own, so no new empire.

So when you get to feudal and can get partition aas a succession rule, you can more easily rule over several empires and destroy any empire title over your first one.

[Tarshaid]

Also going back to this :

Originally posted by Elenjo Ger:

yes you dont need direct control, but isnt it easier when you control it directly?

Originally posted by Tarshaid:

Maybe it's poorly written, but all I see in the achievement is "have your line reform an african faith and convert all of africa to it", I see nothing about you actually directly controlling the land. And getting people to convert said land isn't too hard as long as you get to force convert the dukes and counts holding it (or replace them with true believers), they do a fine job converting everyone for me right now. I'm certainly no pro player, but I'm going at it rn with the viewpoint of replacing anyone close to important by a member of my own dynasty (with the added bonus of calling them into war whenever), and the thing is progressing fine even when I ended up with 10+ kingdoms (grabbing the bonus in the meantime) before making a first empire.

Well with the Daurama Dynasty you have a special desicion: (in my words)
"When you control the Region of Africa, you have 33% chance to convert all counties into Bori Faith"
so the logical idea behind my runs was, to control all and use this desicion.


But a other idea occured on me.
If i get the second Imperium titel, my heir would generate the second one and become independent, but if he is still the required Faith and convert all his land, i m good to go, or am i wrong?

Considering that your land is going to be split up upon partition a bunch of times until you get anything else than confederate partition, I think it could be worthwhile to concentrate on conquering and converting one empire at a time, and then if it ever splits off due to succession, every landed guy is already following your religion and converting the land for you.
Yeah, what you said at the last line was right, I hardly ever convert anything by myself (too busy making claims on my vassals), I just convert the lords or replace them with people of my faith and the job is done for me.

After all, the "unite africa" decision only seems that at best, it'll do a third of the job, leaving two thirds to you.

[MrT]

One interesting thing I discovered through my run was that if you adopt a culture who is already feudal, you get the innovations researched of this new culture.
I adopted Egyptian ways, became their culture head and was able to research the hereditary tech. I adopted Feudal afterwards so I can not say if I would have been able to get Partition even while staying Tribal ...

[Elenjo [Ger]]

well, yes it was just the english on that part :D

so when i get the partition i can prevent from forming new titles but when it splits i have the empire and my other brothers and sisters get kingdom titles?

And isnt the best thing for that to rush feudal?

And a other idea, when i get my dynasty (with the reformed Bori Faith) in power of like every empire in africa, and when they (hopefully) convert the faith everywhere, i should get the achievement or am i wrong?

[MrT]

You get the primary title of your capital I believe: that is duchy, kingdom, empire whose De Jure it is. The rest is splitted

Yes indeed, to get Partition you need to rush Feudal, but in doing so you greatly weaken your army (no free lunch ) - so it is a question of balance

For me: when I have a good title with no split risk (1st empire), I try to get a lot of heirs, when I get a risk to split, I try to get only one heir (through battle, murdering, disinheriting ...). Afterwards I get Partition I can have more fun although be careful for Powerful vassals ...

Last question, I think it is the case, I believe someone said it in another thread. In my case I conquered all, you cannot trust those siblings

[Xef]

I recently re-played the achievement to see if confederate partition is even a problem in it. It isn't. Finished the game in ~110 years with third character having to convert the last two counties, didn't really encounter any problems.

To avoid your empire splitting from confederate partition you
1) Don't conquer too many counties within extra empires initially
2) Grant independence to dynasty members within the empire when you have enough counties to create the empire title; Ideally a kingdom with a bunch of domain within it as well so that they can defend themselves, dukes are too weak to be independent. Also your eligible heirs will mess up with your succession if you grant them independence so better use someone else for that.

The counties don't have to be part of your realm, as long as all African counties share a religion it's fine. You can use any African pagan religion for the achievement, basically any of the unreformed ones in southern Africa. Siguism/Bidaism seems to count as a single religion instead of two as well. And speaking of those, here's the fun part...

Tyrant of Us All: Siguism/Bidaism have a holy site that grants you -20% tyranny and -0.1 monthly tyranny. Combine that with Pursuit of Power religious tenet (-50% Tyranny Gain, -50% Title Creation Cost -> Free titles as tribal) and you're already a tyrannic tyrant. But if your player character also happens to have Callous trait... Oh boy, that's a total of -90% tyranny gain. You get 0-2 tyranny for tyrant actions and -0.35 tyranny decay. So if you yoink a title off of your vassals or imprison them, you'll get 2 tyranny that'll be gone in 6 months. Without the bonuses you'd get 20 tyranny that'll wear off over 6 years and 8 months.

Otherwise the playthrough was pretty standard tribal domination, nothing particularly interesting about it.

[Elenjo [Ger]]

thats an interesting way with the dynasty members.
when they got a kingdom title, theyre independet or did i miss something?
And then they shouldnt be going for my empire title from the start ?

[Xef]

Originally posted by Elenjo Ger:

thats an interesting way with the dynasty members.
when they got a kingdom title, theyre independet or did i miss something?
And then they shouldnt be going for my empire title from the start ?

You have to grant them independence, they don't get it automatically. Also if the kingdom title has already existed for a while within your empire they might be your de jure vassals so you can't grant them independence. I'm not exactly sure how the de jure drift works so I can't give details on that.

Oh, and it doesn't necessarily have to be dynasty members, but they give splendor when they're independent and as long as dynasty stays in control of the title you can just re-claim it via the dynasty head interaction if you ever want to take it back (Via war).

I'm not sure what you mean by them going for your empire title. Whoever I granted independence for never declared war on me or tried to murder me or such.