"Mother of us All" Achievement , Any Tips?

[Elenjo [Ger]]

I tryed this achievement so many times, but i cant get a good run.
Does someone have this Achievement and has any tips to do it?

[Sir Winn]

So far the best i done with taking the map is stay trible

and get a provence with egyptian cluture so you can benafit from some of the later tecks while staying tribal but make sure your capatal is a tribal provence when you reform you religon or it will auto make you into clan govement

[Kayeka]

It's a standard tribal snowball. Eat your smallest neighbour, repeat until world domination. Where exactly are you running into trouble?

[Elenjo [Ger]]

The problem i have is the following:

The beginning, from the start youre going to be murdered when you cant discover it.
the next thing, you cant to get "your" duchty because of your husband who holds it, and you cant rally him because he gets way more allies and troops.
When you take the land which is de jure for Kingdom, you may get in war with him when the alliance broke.

so its a hard start after all, sometimes i get it, sometimes dont.

But now the trouble starts.
i can get land, may get the imperium title, but when i didnt get the title (when i m holding more kingdom titles) and i die, my land splits up in kingdoms, (or imperium).

or, and the funny way, they get into a faction like "i want that title, because idk" i cant hold it.

so in short, i cant keep the imperium (Kingdom) together and get a strong enough army.

I lack some sort of knowlege which i didnt get.

[Kayeka]

I just start the game by using my husband against my neighbours until I'm large enough to form the kingdom and vassalize him. Then it's a big sprint for the empire, which is quite doable since Daurama is so young.

But you probably already knew that. It sounds like the problem is somewhere a little more fundamental. There are only two "tricks" that I know of that you may not know about:

1. As a king or emperor, give all eligible children that are not your primary heir a Duchy. As long as you hold only one duchy and one kingdom title yourself, this will effectively disinherit them, allowing you to build up your capital duchy in the knowledge that your heirs will actually get to use it. If you do so, Confederate Partition will only kick in once you've conquered enough land to form another title equal to your main title.

2. Don't use levies if you don't absolutely have to. Tribes can hire Men-At-Arms at the cost of prestige rather than gold, and can easily stack Knight Effectiveness to amazing heights. Your MAA (mostly just Sahel Horsemen, in your case) and champs should be able to win while outnumbered 3-to-1, maybe even 5-to-1 on favourable terrain. So by not using levies, you can save up gold, which you can then use for mercs whenever fun stuff like factions happen, or just bribing everyone into murdering whoever annoys you right now.

That's the best I can give you, without watching you play.

[Tarshaid]

About getting murdered, if I'm not mistaken, you start with one girl as rival, a concubine of your husband. Most likely she's the one starting a murder plot on you, but a quick gift should make her quite instantly love you (like 10gp for 100 in relationship) instead and it's not like you instantly need the gold it'll cost. Apart from her, Daurama should be able to befriend anyone and everyone, so start with either your spymaster or someone you want to put as spymaster.

Having your land split up into a bunch of kingdoms can be annoying, but first your goal is to convert everyone, not conquer them, second it gives you lots of renown to multiply kings of your dynasty, third your heir should get strong claims on every kingdom you lost so you have two generations to retake all. Ensure that your heir inherits the best land (so focus on making your primary kingdom the part you control most) and it shouldn't be too hard to retake land one kingdom at a time.

The most annoying part in terms of army is that your vassals give you more troops for higher prestige so even when you keep your land after a succession, you'll downgrade a few levels of prestige and lose the troops until you beat up enough people. Give some land to your primary heir in advance so he'll have time to toughen up a bit, maybe. And then do what you can to ensure successions don't hurt you too much (as Kayeka said).

[Elenjo [Ger]]

hmm, well, i get it so far, but to do the achievement you need to control all afrika and convert it.

so i should just get big and get the biggest kingdom/imperium as my primary.
And when it splits up i just need to get it again?

the other thing is, yes MaA can be good, but even when i reduce it do 2 different types or even 1. i just get beaten up because the enemy got like the perfect counter, which i cannot predict well.

[Natius]

Daura > Gobbir > Hausaland > Kanen-Banum
https://ck3.paradoxwikis.com/Mother_of_Us_All
For Tenet, i take Sanctioned False Conversions,Mendicant Preacher,and Reincarnation
fundamentalist (More heresy but faster convert, you have sanctioned false conversion just press sanction cryto-religionist)
Monogamous (to prevent many child and stupid penalty)
Going feudal
Wait byzantium collapse or at war at many nations or wait mongol arrive to Eastern Europe
You dont need unite africa, just need all africa become africa religion

Invasion u can begin from the middle to North africa, to prevent byzantium invade first, but get ready for byzantium invade

[Maelos]

Yeah, I did the same at the start as nautius, as Kanem-Bornu is the easiest Empire title. Just don't forget: due to CK III's retarded 'even worse than gavelkind system' you're better off not expanding until primogeniture (which is around 1200). I expanded too much and on my death a second empire title was formed out of nothing the loose kingdom titles that I hadu nder me (which can happen and is atrocious). There are obviously ways to game the system (celibacy, going for sadistic and killing kids, divorcing after two kids, etc.), but if you don't want to spend all your time min-maxing and actually want to play the game, you'll need to watch out for new title formation.

[Bird the III]

i used my husband to build a kingdom / call him in for free into defensive wars to build up an economy/ prestige buffer. went theologic focus early to go celibate (which i did with almost every character until feudal and at least partition law)
than i rushed empire title, became a with and and reformed faith ( at least with her daughter maybe even Daura).
waited around for some bit to reform to feudal (always theocratic focus to get there faster )
the only thing i did meanwhile was grab all the holy citys / goldmines and went for all the improvements )
maybe a little fight here and there but mostly i kept far away for a second empire title. with about 12k money i accumulated ( tenents: communion,Mendicant Preachers & Esotericism ,Righteous).
i pretty much insta build anything worthwhile (especially the gold mines holy temples, later grabbed pyramids,Al-Azhar University... )

afterwards i land grabbed pretty much everything and byz wasnt even close of a match when i reached them think something like 40k vs 20k .

crusades where a bit annoying when my vassals grabbed the holy land (think i suffered through about 4 ) but the rest was land grabbing holy wars / kingdom invasions

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2254211550

and yes i went for rome in the end cause the crusaded annoyed me endlessly

[CrUsHeR]

Originally posted by Kayeka:

It's a standard tribal snowball. Eat your smallest neighbour, repeat until world domination. Where exactly are you running into trouble?

I guess it is the fact that this achievement has almost cosmic dimensions. Africa is absolutely vast, many areas have deserts or mountains which increase the travel time to neighboring counties by huge amounts.

You need to keep all the empires, which due to lack of a non-partition laws requires the terrible noob strategy of murdering / disinheriting extra heirs, or at least unlocking celibacy before getting the first child.

Also having to convert all counties sounds fairly unreasonable. For comparison with my most powerful feudal empire yet, i didn't even bother converting any of France, Spain etc. to catholicism just because none of their revolts would fire anyways due to lack of manpower. And i don't think this would have ever completed before 1453.

Basically this appears to be an extremely tedious, repetitive timekiller achievement, requiring the worst of the worst playstyles (1-heir-tribal) for most of the campaign.

[Elenjo [Ger]]

so, after reading all this.

Get Imperium asap and reform faith and chill out until feudal, then go riot and grab all of the required land?
And in between that just have 1 heir ?

but, how do you keep your vassals or ex-heir happy from uprising?

[Natius]

Originally posted by Elenjo Ger:

so, after reading all this.

Get Imperium asap and reform faith and chill out until feudal, then go riot and grab all of the required land?
And in between that just have 1 heir ?

but, how do you keep your vassals or ex-heir happy from uprising?

All you need to do is (Follow from chill out until feudal) rush to mangonel and hereditary rule (partition)
so it prevent you create empire titles upon succession
How to keep vassal/heir happy? Feudal elective, they vote what they like, and some of voters wont riot against heir they like (if heir they like win)
Family legacy- Short Reign duration
Get your family Beautiful trait (it increase vassal opinion)
Strengthen Bloodline if necessary

IF you wait Primogeniture, byantium will control half of the world and you fail after that, because they are way too strong (1st last game, i win because byzantium collapse, 2nd last game, Byzantium have 120k troops when i have 40k troops, and i lose)

[Tarshaid]

Originally posted by Elenjo Ger:

hmm, well, i get it so far, but to do the achievement you need to control all afrika and convert it.

so i should just get big and get the biggest kingdom/imperium as my primary.
And when it splits up i just need to get it again?

the other thing is, yes MaA can be good, but even when i reduce it do 2 different types or even 1. i just get beaten up because the enemy got like the perfect counter, which i cannot predict well.

Maybe it's poorly written, but all I see in the achievement is "have your line reform an african faith and convert all of africa to it", I see nothing about you actually directly controlling the land. And getting people to convert said land isn't too hard as long as you get to force convert the dukes and counts holding it (or replace them with true believers), they do a fine job converting everyone for me right now. I'm certainly no pro player, but I'm going at it rn with the viewpoint of replacing anyone close to important by a member of my own dynasty (with the added bonus of calling them into war whenever), and the thing is progressing fine even when I ended up with 10+ kingdoms (grabbing the bonus in the meantime) before making a first empire.

[Aurian]

Originally posted by Maelos:

Yeah, I did the same at the start as nautius, as Kanem-Bornu is the easiest Empire title. Just don't forget: due to CK III's retarded 'even worse than gavelkind system' you're better off not expanding until primogeniture (which is around 1200). I expanded too much and on my death a second empire title was formed out of nothing the loose kingdom titles that I hadu nder me (which can happen and is atrocious).

I never had this issue during my Daura playthrough. Did you not switch to partition from confederate partition? You can make that switch loooooong before 1200 and then you don't need to worry about new titles being generated anymore (unless you create them yourself).

I never wait until 1200 before I start expanding. That would be exceedingly dull.

Originally posted by Tarshaid:

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Maybe it's poorly written, but all I see in the achievement is "have your line reform an african faith and convert all of africa to it", I see nothing about you actually directly controlling the land.

Correct, you don't need to control the land directly.

[Elenjo [Ger]]

yes you dont need direct control, but isnt it easier when you control it directly?

Originally posted by Tarshaid:

Maybe it's poorly written, but all I see in the achievement is "have your line reform an african faith and convert all of africa to it", I see nothing about you actually directly controlling the land. And getting people to convert said land isn't too hard as long as you get to force convert the dukes and counts holding it (or replace them with true believers), they do a fine job converting everyone for me right now. I'm certainly no pro player, but I'm going at it rn with the viewpoint of replacing anyone close to important by a member of my own dynasty (with the added bonus of calling them into war whenever), and the thing is progressing fine even when I ended up with 10+ kingdoms (grabbing the bonus in the meantime) before making a first empire.

Well with the Daurama Dynasty you have a special desicion: (in my words)
"When you control the Region of Africa, you have 33% chance to convert all counties into Bori Faith"
so the logical idea behind my runs was, to control all and use this desicion.


But a other idea occured on me.
If i get the second Imperium titel, my heir would generate the second one and become independent, but if he is still the required Faith and convert all his land, i m good to go, or am i wrong?