Strategy for not losing Empires when I die

[Questionable]

As Emperor of the HRE, I quite naturally expanded my domain to include France and Hungary, well given the confusing auto-Empire-creation-on-death thingy now added, I then grained the Francian and Carpathian Empires and lost them on the next inheritance.

I knew CK2, but in CK3 I don't know what my path is to uniting these empires under the same inheritance. I can change succession laws to Primogeniture once I unlock it, but does that change the Elective succession in HRE?

I'm asking both how to do that step, and the overall strategy to getting there.

[Questionable]

Any way to get there sooner than unlocking Primogeniture? Not even to that stage of the Middle Ages yet

[Razorblade]

Elective Succession laws are unique in that you don't change them, but rather remove them, since unlike Partition or One-Heir succession laws, Elective Laws are on a per-title basis, rather than for all of your titles.

The HRE is unique, however. To remove Princely Elective, you must spend 10,000 prestiege, which is vastly more than is normally required to remove an elective succession law from a title. To remove it, click on the HRE's flag, then hit the "Remove Law" at the bottom of the screen that pops up. After removing the law, the HRE will follow your regular succession law.

[Fedalar Gohzio Primus]

I don't think there is my guy. I've been looking for a while too. I think you could disinherit everyone except heir before you die but that just means your heir is going to be alone with everyone hating him.

I am going to try a new (for me) tactic in just getting 1 kingdom or empire (depends on start) then super powering it with buildings and such and then when i get primogeniture just running amoke!

[Fedalar Gohzio Primus]

Originally posted by Razorblade:

Elective Succession laws are unique in that you don't change them, but rather remove them, since unlike Partition or One-Heir succession laws, Elective Laws are on a per-title basis, rather than for all of your titles.

The HRE is unique, however. To remove Princely Elective, you must spend 10,000 prestiege, which is vastly more than is normally required to remove an elective succession law from a title. To remove it, click on the HRE's flag, then hit the "Remove Law" at the bottom of the screen that pops up. After removing the law, the HRE will follow your regular succession law.

Removing elective just means you'll get partition which may or may not be worse depending on the situation

[Maelos]

Originally posted by Fedalar Gohzio Primus:

I don't think there is my guy. I've been looking for a while too. I think you could disinherit everyone except heir before you die but that just means your heir is going to be alone with everyone hating him.

I am going to try a new (for me) tactic in just getting 1 kingdom or empire (depends on start) then super powering it with buildings and such and then when i get primogeniture just running amoke!

Yeah, I tried the same thing, but gods does it get boring artificially limiting yourself just because of new title formation on death... Also doesn't help that without gaming the system you almost always end up having so many kids that you lose all but your capital county... No real use buffing up the other counties if they'll be going to your siblings and just buffing them up, making it more difficult to get your ♥♥♥♥ back/making them more likely to rebel.

[JuX]

You can cheese inheritance law.

If you are subject of the HRE without being a king, then you can take control of region of Austria and form the Archduchy of Austria, which will enact primogeniture succession law for you, regardless if it's innovated or not.


I do not particularly encourage this strategy unless your planning on playing a small realm. It will just make your game too easy.

[CrUsHeR]

I don't get it. Since when do elective laws create titles on succession?

[Kresred]

Originally posted by Maelos:

Originally posted by Fedalar Gohzio Primus:

I don't think there is my guy. I've been looking for a while too. I think you could disinherit everyone except heir before you die but that just means your heir is going to be alone with everyone hating him.

I am going to try a new (for me) tactic in just getting 1 kingdom or empire (depends on start) then super powering it with buildings and such and then when i get primogeniture just running amoke!

Yeah, I tried the same thing, but gods does it get boring artificially limiting yourself just because of new title formation on death... Also doesn't help that without gaming the system you almost always end up having so many kids that you lose all but your capital county... No real use buffing up the other counties if they'll be going to your siblings and just buffing them up, making it more difficult to get your ♥♥♥♥ back/making them more likely to rebel.

Any type of partition is actually pretty easy to deal with. If you dont want them to inherit your main domain then get some nearby county and give it to them it will count as their share of the succession. I have been playing since 867 (now 1185) with confederat partition never lost my main domain once. Started count Eudes 867 now Emperor of France. The higher you title the more you going to give so give them whole duchy or kingdom if needed.

[Warsmith Honsou]

I started as duke of Bohemia and managed to get and hold the holdthe holy roman empire for the whole game with alot of thought put into the right assassinations, obviously alot more into it but a couple of assassinations to kill off potential rivals goes a long way when it only costs a few hundred gold.

[emcdunna]

If ur succession law is partition, not confederate partition, no NEW titles get created. So your realm wouldn't split.

[Maelos]

Originally posted by Kresred:

Originally posted by Maelos:

Yeah, I tried the same thing, but gods does it get boring artificially limiting yourself just because of new title formation on death... Also doesn't help that without gaming the system you almost always end up having so many kids that you lose all but your capital county... No real use buffing up the other counties if they'll be going to your siblings and just buffing them up, making it more difficult to get your ♥♥♥♥ back/making them more likely to rebel.

Any type of partition is actually pretty easy to deal with. If you dont want them to inherit your main domain then get some nearby county and give it to them it will count as their share of the succession. I have been playing since 867 (now 1185) with confederat partition never lost my main domain once. Started count Eudes 867 now Emperor of France. The higher you title the more you going to give so give them whole duchy or kingdom if needed.

Oh, I know it's pretty easy to just get more titles as needed and give them away, it's just annoying imo. To be fair though, I didn't think too much about confederate partition at the start and had like 15 children on one character, so I did cause most of my pain myself haha.

[Kresred]

Originally posted by Maelos:

Originally posted by Kresred:

Any type of partition is actually pretty easy to deal with. If you dont want them to inherit your main domain then get some nearby county and give it to them it will count as their share of the succession. I have been playing since 867 (now 1185) with confederat partition never lost my main domain once. Started count Eudes 867 now Emperor of France. The higher you title the more you going to give so give them whole duchy or kingdom if needed.

Oh, I know it's pretty easy to just get more titles as needed and give them away, it's just annoying imo. To be fair though, I didn't think too much about confederate partition at the start and had like 15 children on one character, so I did cause most of my pain myself haha.

What you can also do its to get some county but not enough to create the duchy and expend like this on multiple duchy. I used to do that a the start to gain power or enough territory to get a kingdom. You will still lose your domain but you will not split.

[Kapika96]

Just switch to partition. You don't even need to change the HRE succession, just your own personal succession to partition (NOT confederate partition) and new titles won't be created upon your death and if your other kids do inherit they'll still be your vassals, rather than independent.

Also, "the confusing auto-Empire-creation-on-death thingy" wasn't added. It was in CK2 as well as elective gavelkind. Actually it's better in a way now since it's no longer elective, but the effect is the same other than that.