Socialist Society

[ThatGuy]

What would be the closest thing to a socialist society that you can create in CK3 using the base game? Open to fun suggestions.

By socialist, I'm referring to libertarian socialist. Not that tankie ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ in the Soviet Union.

[Hao Zhao]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mazdakism

It's in the game if you really want to play it. :p

[angel of derp]

Peasant Uprisings? (... Which we crush under our authoritarian boots.)

[Lovecraft's Cat]

The key is a fitting religion. I suggest Asatru reformation with the doctrines Communal Identity, Warmonger, choice of Esotericism/Ancestral Worship/Asceticism. Fundamentalist, Lay Clergy, Temporal Head of faith. Leave the rest as is.

This creates a society where culture and religion are one, and where the all powerful leader is also the spiritual head of the people who can declare great holy wars. This society also has a strict moral code, it rewards strong rulers with concubines to create plentiful offspring, and the people are free to expand if more living space is needed (as per the conquest casus belli).

Anyway, I guess this society could be described as a form of socialism.

[ThatGuy]

Originally posted by Scyth:

The key is a fitting religion. I suggest Asatru reformation with the doctrines Communal Identity, Warmonger, choice of Esotericism/Ancestral Worship/Asceticism. Fundamentalist, Lay Clergy, Temporal Head of faith. Leave the rest as is.

This creates a society where culture and religion are one, and where the all powerful leader is also the spiritual head of the people who can declare great holy wars. This society also has a strict moral code, it rewards strong rulers with concubines to create plentiful offspring, and the people are free to expand if more living space is needed (as per the conquest casus belli).

Anyway, I guess this society could be described as a form of socialism.

Sounds kinda of like fascism to me, but I like the enthusiasm.

[ThatGuy]

Originally posted by Hao Zhao:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mazdakism

It's in the game if you really want to play it. :p

This is a good starting point.

I think religious communism is probably the way to go with this.

[Kapika96]

Originally posted by Scyth:

The key is a fitting religion. I suggest Asatru reformation with the doctrines Communal Identity, Warmonger, choice of Esotericism/Ancestral Worship/Asceticism. Fundamentalist, Lay Clergy, Temporal Head of faith. Leave the rest as is.

This creates a society where culture and religion are one, and where the all powerful leader is also the spiritual head of the people who can declare great holy wars. This society also has a strict moral code, it rewards strong rulers with concubines to create plentiful offspring, and the people are free to expand if more living space is needed (as per the conquest casus belli).

Anyway, I guess this society could be described as a form of socialism.

"all powerful leader" sounds like the antithesis of socialism.

[Nellvan]

^ Yep. I'd go with Mazdakism, Slovianska Pravda, Mahayana (or something similar that refers to community / has fitting base virtues/sins, didn't check every option) to start with.

Tenets: Asceticism, Legalism and Communal Identity.
Clerical Function : Alms and Pacification

Basically, try to make most of the egoistical or anti-social traits sins, and Legalism to incentivise Rulers that go along with it.

[Sol]

Originally posted by Nellvan:

^ Yep. I'd go with Mazdakism, Slovianska Pravda, Mahayana (or something similar that refers to community / has fitting base virtues/sins, didn't check every option) to start with.

Tenets: Asceticism, Legalism and Communal Identity.
Clerical Function : Alms and Pacification

Basically, try to make most of the egoistical or anti-social traits sins, and Legalism to incentivise Rulers that go along with it.

I strongly agree. I might say that Polyamory instead of asceticism - either way; gender equality, all divorces/relationships, deviancy, homosexuality accepted.

[Kayeka]

Don't forget lay clergy.

[boo]

One thing you can do is let the control level of counties go down when a peasant uprising happens. That way they are free to do as they wish. Reform a religion to be pacifist and focus all your money into growing your lands which will let your people prosper. Aside from that, I don't think there's much to be done. The land is controlled by nobles and they decide what gets built and the laws in place. This game is not meant for that kind of gameplay.

You can try Victoria 2, that has a lot of what you're looking for.

[Lovecraft's Cat]

Originally posted by boo:

The land is controlled by nobles

Yes and no. The only necessary feudal lord is you, the player character. 100% of your realm with the exception of your personal domain can be ruled by republics, and with elective succession they even have a say in who becomes the next ruler. So the kind of "strong leader / leader cult" type socialism (think of Stalin or a certain other leader in the WW2 era) can be implemented.

The only real hurdle is the fact that each ruler must be of the same dynasty (otherwise we get a game over screen), so that demands some kind of handwaving explanation. For example, we can imagine that this dynasty has a divine purpose to lead the people or something.

[Someguyinhere]

It's called don't manage your realm and let it collapse into crime, depravity, and disrepair. Make sure to set all vassal obligations to full tax, nobody can have any money but you. Also make a religion whose description is about how nobody ever did REAL socialism, but promise you'll get it right

[wven]

Originally posted by Someguyinhere:

It's called don't manage your realm and let it collapse into crime, depravity, and disrepair. Make sure to set all vassal obligations to full tax, nobody can have any money but you. Also make a religion whose description is about how nobody ever did REAL socialism, but promise you'll get it right

best description of socialism I have ever read

[Someguyinhere]

Originally posted by Kapika96:

Originally posted by Scyth:

The key is a fitting religion. I suggest Asatru reformation with the doctrines Communal Identity, Warmonger, choice of Esotericism/Ancestral Worship/Asceticism. Fundamentalist, Lay Clergy, Temporal Head of faith. Leave the rest as is.

This creates a society where culture and religion are one, and where the all powerful leader is also the spiritual head of the people who can declare great holy wars. This society also has a strict moral code, it rewards strong rulers with concubines to create plentiful offspring, and the people are free to expand if more living space is needed (as per the conquest casus belli).

Anyway, I guess this society could be described as a form of socialism.

"all powerful leader" sounds like the antithesis of socialism.

Socialism is a fantasy written to fool gullible idiots into thinking it's not just another tool for politicians to seize total power.

[Commander Liberty]

Originally posted by Nellvan:

^ Yep. I'd go with Mazdakism, Slovianska Pravda, Mahayana (or something similar that refers to community / has fitting base virtues/sins, didn't check every option) to start with.

Tenets: Asceticism, Legalism and Communal Identity.
Clerical Function : Alms and Pacification

Basically, try to make most of the egoistical or anti-social traits sins, and Legalism to incentivise Rulers that go along with it.

Legalism is socialist? lol absolutely not, in fact it's about the worst tenet to simulate socialism.