education: when do educators move to your court vs child moving to educator's court

[VayneVerso]

I can't figure this out. When I began, educators from other realms would always come to my court as long as they were mere courtiers elsewhere. Now, the game always wants to send the kids outside of my realm to be with the educators. Is it because educators would come for my kids, but not for my grandkids?

[Admod, the Equivocal]

Are your grandkids the same rank as your educators?

[VayneVerso]

Originally posted by Admod, the Equivocal:

Are your grandkids the same rank as your educators?

I considered that, and just attempted it with lowborn educators, and the result was the same.

[BaCaz]

If you or someone from your court is the guardian they stay at your court, if the guardian is not from your court they move to the guardians location.

[CrUsHeR]

Well there was a description about the exact protocol on the wiki, but i can't find it anymore.
There are several rules and conflicts i could name:

I'm quite sure that a child, being the direct heir to the court he lives in, will not move whatsoever. Same like you cannot invite an adult character for exactly this reason, where the invitation button is greyed out with a related notification ("is heir of his liege" or so).

Likewise a ruling guardian will also not move to another court, obviously.

Having a job at a court does not prevent courtiers from moving to other courts, for example your wife or spymaster would actually move to educate the heir of a vassal, and likely you'll only get them back after the ward becomes adult (this is a bug where they stay "in limbo" after unassigning them as guardian, in your capital county but not at your court).

Then there is a "draw", when both the ward and the guardian are not allowed to move. I think this results in remote education.

And lastly there is a conflict when the same guardian has two wards from different courts, i'm not sure what happens in that case (if two or more involved characters are blocked from moving).

[Admod, the Equivocal]

Originally posted by CrUsHeR:

Well there was a description about the exact protocol on the wiki, but i can't find it anymore.

Wikipedia tends to delete information that is proven false after some time. You sure it's correct information? Maybe it wasn't sourced?

[CrUsHeR]

Originally posted by Admod, the Equivocal:

Originally posted by CrUsHeR:

Well there was a description about the exact protocol on the wiki, but i can't find it anymore.

Wikipedia tends to delete information that is proven false after some time. You sure it's correct information? Maybe it wasn't sourced?

No idea, i was just skimming through a section and noticed that. It's been a while.

The stuff i wrote below is purely from memory and might not be 100% accurate, any corrections are welcome.

[VayneVerso]

Originally posted by BaCaz:

If you or someone from your court is the guardian they stay at your court, if the guardian is not from your court they move to the guardians location.

Well, that's not true all of the time, because I guarantee that when it was my own kids, the educators would come and be guests in my court for the duration of the education. This is with using courtiers, and not councilors or landed characters (guests in foreign courts and wanderers can't be educators at all). Perhaps it's only something that is allowed for your children and the privilege doesn't extend to successive generations.

[VayneVerso]

Originally posted by CrUsHeR:

Well there was a description about the exact protocol on the wiki, but i can't find it anymore.
There are several rules and conflicts i could name:

Thanks for the info. Sounds pretty confusing, like a lot of the weighting mechanics in the game.

I mean, this seems weird to me. Does it seem weird to anybody else? This is my grandson. Member of my house through matrilineal marriage. He's in my court. I'm a king, requesting the education of a courtier from the court of a Chieftain. And they're going to make me send a member of my bloodline to them?

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2278945784

[BaCaz]

Well I've personally send lots of kids to live with guardians, and I've had other kids not my own move to my court with me as their guardian. However, i always make sure that I'm my own heirs guardian so I can't be sure about that.

[BaCaz]

Originally posted by TheWatcherUatu:

Originally posted by CrUsHeR:

Well there was a description about the exact protocol on the wiki, but i can't find it anymore.
There are several rules and conflicts i could name:

Thanks for the info. Sounds pretty confusing, like a lot of the weighting mechanics in the game.

I mean, this seems weird to me. Does it seem weird to anybody else? This is my grandson. Member of my house through matrilineal marriage. He's in my court. I'm a king, requesting the education of a courtier from the court of a Chieftain. And they're going to make me send a member of my bloodline to them?

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2278945784

That picture exactly shows what I just wrote. Do you have one where it isn't the case?

Edit: I can see how if you have unlanded people educate your child they might become courtiers for the duration, guess i never used a lowborn for education (except the pope)

[VayneVerso]

Originally posted by BaCaz:

That picture exactly shows what I just wrote. Do you have one where it isn't the case?

Sure. Here's one below. I switched to my character's son to test it out with the same exact educator. So my guess is that they'll only come to your court if it's your own child--not a grandchild, nephew, or anything else. And they would have to be unlanded, I would imagine.

I thought it would work for any of my courtiers, but I guess I was just using the educators that were already guests in my court.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2278979373

[CrUsHeR]

Originally posted by TheWatcherUatu:

Originally posted by CrUsHeR:

Well there was a description about the exact protocol on the wiki, but i can't find it anymore.
There are several rules and conflicts i could name:

Thanks for the info. Sounds pretty confusing, like a lot of the weighting mechanics in the game.

I mean, this seems weird to me. Does it seem weird to anybody else? This is my grandson. Member of my house through matrilineal marriage. He's in my court. I'm a king, requesting the education of a courtier from the court of a Chieftain. And they're going to make me send a member of my bloodline to them?

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2278945784

I think it matches approximately what i wrote; your grandson is not heir to your title, so he is free to be moved. Unless your son died, then the grandson wouldn't move because he becomes your heir. Also note that you grandson could be stuck at the foreign court if e.g. the guardian dies.

And i guess the guardian is the mother of this child ruler, so she wouldn't leave him either unless married into your court (try inviting her, something like -100 for leaving her child).