Crusader Kings III

Crusader Kings III

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Dimensius Jan 2, 2021 @ 5:38am
Crusader Kings 3 absurd AI behavior during wars!
- start new game
- spend 5 years managing your court and family members
- finally declare a war on neighboring county
- raise army and send them to enemy county
- encounter enemy army and start a battle
- win the battle and enemy army runs to the sea where it embarks onto ships that magicaly
appear there
- I continue towards the enemy capital
- enemy army I just beat and had run to the sea disembarks back to my shore and is now besieging my capital - WTF
- I go back and defend my capital
- fight the enemy army and win the battle again. enemy army retreats again to the sea where again ships appear out of nowhere
- I march towards the enemy capital
- enemy army I beat twice is now besieging my city in another county
- ignore enemy army and besiege enemy capital
- I capture enemy capital as they capture one of my counties
- I run back and intercept enemy army
- Fight the enemy army again and win for the third time
- Try to win back my county but enemy army is now besieging my second city
- Run to stop another siege, fight the same army forth time and win again. Do they ever quit?
- Chase the enemy army around the map and beat it twice more (6 times in total)
- War is at stalemate !!!
- Quit and uninstall the game
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Bogdan Jan 2, 2021 @ 5:44am 
So...whats the issue?
You had a fight with an army 6 times and it is still bothering you? lol.
The game has alot of problems with the AI and i agree that currently its the only biggest thing that has to be fixed but your situation is a bit ridiculous man. But yea you are right, its good that you unistalled the game, its clearly not for you.
Dimensius Jan 2, 2021 @ 6:07am 
In all my life i have never experience a worst TROLLY game behavior than this! An enemy army when is defeated is generaly slautered and usually the general has also been killed and the few remaining soldiers would never reform and attack again.
On this game the enemy army can magicaly disengage in safety and they march to the sea where suddently a ship appears out of nowhere !!! and enemy army embarks and leaves. But as soon as i get my army to do something else the enemy army that just had routed returns and attacks some defensless little county on the other side of my domain. How would that all be possible? Without some kind naval superiority at the area the enemy should be unable to embark on troop-transport ships. And moreover an army under slaughter shoudln't be able to just disengage and run to the sea in the first place! And also as well all know an already defeated army wouldn't have the nerve to go and immediatly attack again. This whole thing is so ridiculus. As if no beta tester played a war ever in this game. I really feel tricked about this. I read countless of reviews prior to get this game watched many video reviews. Not a single reviewer mentioned this obvious big flaw!

So if all these reviewes are not just idiots or payed off from the company the only other logical explanation is that they never mentioned this problem because they never encountered it. And they never encountered it because they kept playing little barons or counts. If you never try to play an empire you probably never encounter this terrible AI way of play the war because any little wars your would have as count would be with neighbouring counties. So on that case the enemy armies wouldn't have the insentive to go anywhere else. But when you are playing a larger Kindom especialy if that Kingdom has lands on shores then the AI would troll you by doing this that i described.
Last edited by Dimensius; Jan 2, 2021 @ 6:10am
Bogdan Jan 2, 2021 @ 6:09am 
Originally posted by Demencius:
In all my life i have never experience a worst TROLLY game behavior than this! An enemy army when is defeated is generaly slautered and usually the general has also been killed and the few remaining soldiers would never reform and attack again.
On this game the enemy army can magicaly disengage in safety and they march to the sea where suddently a ship appears out of nowhere !!! and enemy army embarks and leaves. But as soon as i get my army to do something else the enemy army that just had routed returns and attacks some defensless little county on the other side of my domain. How would that all be possible? Without some kind naval superiority at the area the enemy should be unable to embark on troop-transport ships. And moreover an army under slaughter shoudln't be able to just disengage and run to the sea in the first place! And also as well all know an already defeated army wouldn't have the nerve to go and immediatly attack again. This whole thing is so ridiculus. As if no beta tester played a war ever in this game. I really feel tricked about this. I read countless of reviews prior to get this game watched many video reviews. Not a single reviewer mentioned this obvious big flaw!

So if all these reviewes are not just idiots or payed off from the company the only other logican explanation is that they never mentioned this problem because they never encountered it. And they never encountered it because they kept playing little barons or counts. If you never tris to play an empire you probably never encounter this terrible AI way of play the war because any little wars your would have as count would be with neighbouring counties. So on that case the enemy armies wouldn't have the insentive to go anywhere else. But when you are playing a larger Kindom especialy if that Kingdom has lands on shores then the AI would troll you by doing this that i described.

Yea this game isn't for you. There is no point telling you anything else or giving advice because i feel you aren't even willing to listen. The fact that you are having trouble with small kingoms as an empire shows that there is no human way you even gave yourself a second to learn the game. Just uninstall.
Last edited by Bogdan; Jan 2, 2021 @ 6:12am
Dimensius Jan 2, 2021 @ 6:36am 
Originally posted by Bogdan:
https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/1670239067234042188/F9D5609F17BAD86D09C8550BCA8AF164727FAD3F/

Big enough for you?
Nop
Serbia is at a part of the map that has not so many shores so there is harder to be trolled by the enemy AI embarking/disembarking trick. You probably started with a small county and expanded little by little through wars and other means with direcly neighbouring counties. On those cases the enemy armirs can't do that trolly trick with the sea/ Try play Byzantines and then come talk.
Bogdan Jan 2, 2021 @ 6:39am 
Originally posted by Demencius:
Originally posted by Bogdan:
https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/1670239067234042188/F9D5609F17BAD86D09C8550BCA8AF164727FAD3F/

Big enough for you?
Nop
Serbia is at a part of the map that has not so many shores so there is harder to be trolled by the enemy AI embarking/disembarking trick. You probably started with a small county and expanded little by little through wars and other means with direcly neighbouring counties. On those cases the enemy armirs can't do that trolly trick with the sea/ Try play Byzantines and then come talk.

Lol. Aight man il go play as the most powerful nation in the game. Screw the fact that i played as a nation that can get eaten up by their neighbours within 30 years...see you in a bit im sure im going to go through many hardships.
Dimensius Jan 2, 2021 @ 6:43am 
Originally posted by Rheinmetall:
There's only one troll here and it's the 12 year old who can't understand anything beyond pointing and clicking to attack the bad guys.

There's also no point in meeting the "arguments" you present because they show that you know nothing about the game. I'll take one example and I'm out: it's correct that you can retreat over the sea when losing, which may seem "unrealistic" -- but only an idiot thinks that the way to design a game is by making it realistic. The fact is that introducing a mechanic like "losing on a beach is an insta-wipe" is extremely imbalanced considering that any other loss in the game allows you to keep part of your army. Furthermore, there's a mechanic in the game where you army does get completely wiped if they are beaten quickly enough, which you would (perhaps) have known if you played the game for more than five minutes.

Now please direct your energy towards something else than embarassing yourself, because noone thinks that a person who played a game for 15 minutes and then rage quit has anything useful to contribute with in terms of analysis.

Oh forgive me! So you saying that a game that has gone so deep on so many small details and about how baronies>counties>douchies>kindoms>empires work and how the various families corelate and how you rule through vassals and has the player to learn all that in the first place , on the one hand, is perfectly fine to be tottally unrealistic and illogical on the way wars and battles can be played on the other hand. Well this kind of argument is trully ridiculus! But you did a good job comedy-wise there since i had a laugh.
M82 Jan 2, 2021 @ 6:47am 
Originally posted by Demencius:
Go play some bigger kingdom than a county and then come talk.

That's a lot of big words coming from someone who didn't even spent 40 Hours on this game.

You don't understand how warfare works and still you see yourself as this guy who knows more than everybody else.... You're like the guys who call "cheater" on anyone that beats them; it's not because you don't understand how you're not winning that it MUST be the game's fault. To be honest I don't wanna give you advice because you obviously don't wanna hear it because you're so great and good that it's the game who's bad and not you. Yes the game has problems, and warfare is barebones, but the way you win wars is the same as it's been for a long while on Paradox games. It's not all about winning as many battles as you can and occupying the entire enemy country, it's about winning battles that matter and sieging provinces that matter. For instance, if you wage war to get county "X", you'll have to siege county "X" at some point to see a real change in warscore, especially if you fight an empire that has like 40 different counties and can afford to lose nearly all of them. Going straight for the capital will help but ultimately unless your enemy has like two counties, it's not gonna end the war, especially if the war hasn't been going on for over ten years. EU IV has been built on this principle (Only the CBs and peace deals are different) and it's not some great masonic scheme pulled by Paradox to trick people into buying the game. It's just the most balanced way this can be done.

So if you disagree with / don't understand this principle then the game, and similar Paradox titles, simply aren't meant for you. Just go play Total War or something.
Dimensius Jan 2, 2021 @ 6:50am 
Originally posted by Bogdan:
Originally posted by Demencius:
Nop
Serbia is at a part of the map that has not so many shores so there is harder to be trolled by the enemy AI embarking/disembarking trick. You probably started with a small county and expanded little by little through wars and other means with direcly neighbouring counties. On those cases the enemy armirs can't do that trolly trick with the sea/ Try play Byzantines and then come talk.

Lol. Aight man il go play as the most powerful nation in the game. Screw the fact that i played as a nation that can get eaten up by their neighbours within 30 years...see you in a bit im sure im going to go through many hardships.
Lol 10 times.
Thats the trick you use there. You make people think that playing an empire is "eaZy" and playing a small county is harder. In fact the way this game is designed the smallest country you play the easier it is cause you can solve your problems via other means and not wars so you will not easily come to fact the game's serious flaw which are the wars.

Here is the challege. Go no start a game Byzantine empire and within first hour you will see all these for yourself especialy if you try to use your huge army to defend Sicily from the arab little kindom attacking it. Go try... if you have the guts, be my guest.

PS just remembered another ridiculus thing of this game. You can set your red spawning flag right on the small island and have a huge army of 6000 levies emerge right there! In Sicily... within a couple of days. Hahahaha. So ridiculus.
Last edited by Dimensius; Jan 2, 2021 @ 6:53am
Zornvel Jan 2, 2021 @ 6:51am 
My last games:
Count Eudes Robertine of Anjou in 867 got W. Francia then Francian Empire, with crusaders wars vs England, Scandinavia, north Africa
Duke of Aragon -> Got indepentence war vs kingdom of aquitaine, form Kingdom of Aragon, conquer all of Iberia, nice wars vs african guys and Italy
Start as I country of Duklja just at the border of the Byzantine Empire, became Kingdom unite the south Slavs, form Empire, hat a lot of fun with wars. Never was a vassal of anyone

My first games were scandinvaia, Britania with a lot of using of ships, but playing in this parts of the world is super easy.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2343980560

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2346492772

@ Bogdan I am also not impressed I started as Duklja and have to move to the south fighting in south Italy then Sicily and Africa and then to come back to the Balkans, the Bulgarian were super stable for me in this game and never collapsed so I had all the time two empires vs me and at the end I destroy them both. Now I will make a break from the game but I will try later a Balkan start but this time stay pagan for more fun.
Bogdan Jan 2, 2021 @ 6:52am 
Originally posted by Demencius:
Originally posted by Bogdan:

Lol. Aight man il go play as the most powerful nation in the game. Screw the fact that i played as a nation that can get eaten up by their neighbours within 30 years...see you in a bit im sure im going to go through many hardships.
Lol 10 times.
Thats the trick you use there. You make people think that playing an empire is "eaZy" and playing a small county is harder. In fact the way this game is designed the smallest country you play the easier it is cause you can solve your problems via other means and not wars so you will not easily come to fact the game's serious flaw which are the wars.

Here is the challege. Go no start a game Byzantine empire and within first hour you will see all these for yourself especialy if you try to use your huge army to defend Sicily from the arab little kindom attacking it. Go try... if you have the guts, be my guest.

And you go uninstall the game.
Bogdan Jan 2, 2021 @ 6:56am 
@ Bogdan I am also not impressed I started as Duklja and have to move to the south fighting in south Italy then Sicily and Africa and then to come back to the Balkans, the Bulgarian were super stable for me in this game and never collapsed so I had all the time two empires vs me and at the end I destroy them both. Now I will make a break from the game but I will try later a Balkan start but this time stay pagan for more fun. [/quote]

If you'd read what this topic was about you would get the fact that im not trying to impress anyone, the topic is about a different subject. So instead of showing me off how big your schlong is with a trivial achievement maybe you should join in on the topic of trying to get people to understand the game better.
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M82 Jan 2, 2021 @ 6:58am 
Originally posted by Zornvel:
My last games:
Count Eudes Robertine of Anjou in 867 got W. Francia then Francian Empire, with crusaders wars vs England, Scandinavia, north Africa
Duke of Aragon -> Got indepentence war vs kingdom of aquitaine, form Kingdom of Aragon, conquer all of Iberia, nice wars vs african guys and Italy
Start as I country of Duklja just at the border of the Byzantine Empire, became Kingdom unite the south Slavs, form Empire, hat a lot of fun with wars. Never was a vassal of anyone

My first games were scandinvaia, Britania with a lot of using of ships, but playing in this parts of the world is super easy.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2343980560

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2346492772

@ Bogdan I am also not impressed I started as Duklja and have to move to the south fighting in south Italy then Sicily and Africa and then to come back to the Balkans, the Bulgarian were super stable for me in this game and never collapsed so I had all the time two empires vs me and at the end I destroy them both. Now I will make a break from the game but I will try later a Balkan start but this time stay pagan for more fun.

Wow that's crazy but we don't remember asking.
Dimensius Jan 2, 2021 @ 7:00am 
Originally posted by Bogdan:
Originally posted by Demencius:
Lol 10 times.
Thats the trick you use there. You make people think that playing an empire is "eaZy" and playing a small county is harder. In fact the way this game is designed the smallest country you play the easier it is cause you can solve your problems via other means and not wars so you will not easily come to fact the game's serious flaw which are the wars.

Here is the challege. Go no start a game Byzantine empire and within first hour you will see all these for yourself especialy if you try to use your huge army to defend Sicily from the arab little kindom attacking it. Go try... if you have the guts, be my guest.

And you go uninstall the game.

Oh i have already uninstalled the game anyway.
But out of curiosity go play Byzantine empire at first era. Then you will see i am not talking out of my ass! Then you will see for yourself how trolly the enemy little army will get. The arab country on the shores of Africa has a claim on Sicily part you hold. He has declared war at you right as you start the game. Try to defend your land. Be my guest. There you will see how the AI plays the war in its full trolly-splendor.

PS Did you know that you can have your huge Byzantine army spawn right on Sicily within 3 days if you set your red army-spawing flag set in Sicily? Another absurdity that. How would that ever been possible? A huge Empire being able to summoan the whole army power right at a distand small island at the middle of Metiteranean within some days? This wouldn't be possible even today!
Last edited by Dimensius; Jan 2, 2021 @ 7:16am
Rheinmetall Jan 2, 2021 @ 7:16am 
Originally posted by Demencius:
Try play Byzantines and then come talk.
Obvious troll
Dimensius Jan 2, 2021 @ 7:19am 
Originally posted by Rheinmetall:
Originally posted by Demencius:
Try play Byzantines and then come talk.
Obvious troll
You are the obvious troll. The facts are there i described them fully. If you don't believe go try for yourself. Go play Byzantine empire first era. (Basileios Makedon) Try to defend Sicily from the attack of that arab nation on the shores of Africa. And see for yourself.

PS when i first started the game i did the tutorial campaign and i had a blast playing it. But there i had a petty Kindom (dutchy) on south Ireland. There i hadn't experienced that bad stuff cause the wars were with neighbouring little counties so there the flaws of this game were not able to manifest. But when i tried afterwards to do the Byzantines i realized just how badly designed the AI war waging thing is.
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